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wendo100
Joined: 11 Apr 2004 Posts: 16 Location: oxford
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 19:23 Post subject: down on power |
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Hi, the old girl is not running to well. The engine just does not pull well and hangs back, the feeling is its a fuel thing, and started some time ago when it just cut out after 3 miles or so. then started and then cut out etc. The fuel filter was changed and all was okay. Now there is this lack of power. It feels like a miss fire on a petrol car, takes place at higer speeds or when pulling up hill. I have a feeling that one of the fuel injectors is playing up, maybe blocked etc. Does anyone have any ideas out there, also whats the best place to go for injectors and what sort of price are they. thanks for your help, wendy |
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Marc Lifetime member
Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 1495 Location: Brighton
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Posted: Mon Jun 21, 2004 19:42 Post subject: Re: down on power |
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wendo100 wrote: |
Hi, the old girl is not running to well. The engine just does not pull well and hangs back, the feeling is its a fuel thing, and started some time ago when it just cut out after 3 miles or so. then started and then cut out etc. The fuel filter was changed and all was okay. Now there is this lack of power. It feels like a miss fire on a petrol car, takes place at higer speeds or when pulling up hill. I have a feeling that one of the fuel injectors is playing up, maybe blocked etc. Does anyone have any ideas out there, also whats the best place to go for injectors and what sort of price are they. thanks for your help, wendy |
Hi Wendo
Certainly sounds like it could be a fuel problem,have you tried to put any fuel injector cleaner through the system ?
If you are getting the symptoms of cutting out then it sounds like the fuel pump seals have gone/going(do you get thius first thing in the morning or after parking up for a long time durin the day?) this is common on the 2.8 4M40 units and with this problem depending on how far gone they are could give rise to the other symptoms ,the actual replacement seals are very cheap however the labour charges can make it quite expensive for the parts that are being repl;aced,the price can range from £100. upto about £350 .
It could also be a possibility that there is an electrical problem with the throttle position sensor (TPS) altho id have thought this would manifest in more of a rev range etc than you are getting,the best bet is to go for another fuel filter change a fair dose of injector cleaner and see how that goes if not then it would probably be best to see if mits can put a dignostic test on it to see if it can be pinpointed with there machine.
Hope that helps atb
Marc 8) _________________ 2.8 L400 Delica EXCEED
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wendo100
Joined: 11 Apr 2004 Posts: 16 Location: oxford
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 20:35 Post subject: hi sorry to be a pain |
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Hi there thanks for the input but a bit to much on the fuel cleaner. In answer to mark, yes I have used fuel cleaner around a 30% of cleaner to diesel at one point, no the car starts and runs okay 1st thing, so know fuel pump seals playing up. It all started with a blocked up fuel filter. It does point to injectors, so going back to the start where is the best place to get them and what sort of price are they. Please, Please no more on fuel cleaner. Hope someone can help out there
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Marc Lifetime member
Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 1495 Location: Brighton
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 20:50 Post subject: |
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As if by magic they dissapear tothere own thread :D as for the injectors you could try milners www.milner4x4.co.uk or it may be a main dea;er only part you could try and see if theres anyone local to you who can do a refurb on them,hth
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Posted: Tue Jun 22, 2004 20:57 Post subject: Re: hi sorry to be a pain |
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wendo100 wrote: |
Hi there thanks for the input but a bit to much on the fuel cleaner. In answer to mark, yes I have used fuel cleaner around a 30% of cleaner to diesel at one point, no the car starts and runs okay 1st thing, so know fuel pump seals playing up. It all started with a blocked up fuel filter. It does point to injectors, so going back to the start where is the best place to get them and what sort of price are they. Please, Please no more on fuel cleaner. Hope someone can help out there
wendy |
at least people are trying to help!!
you're not exactly welcoming people to give input on what they think may be wrong are you?! |
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wendo100
Joined: 11 Apr 2004 Posts: 16 Location: oxford
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 15:59 Post subject: Hi again |
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To the above person, people going on about diesel cleaner, is okay. But it does not address in any shape or form the fault with the car. I have given the facts and asked for a view point, also the best place to go for fuel injectors. This is no way means people should take over the topic talking about cleaners.
Hope thats to the point, and thankyou NOT for your input.
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Marc Lifetime member
Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 1495 Location: Brighton
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 16:09 Post subject: |
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As you may have noticed i have in fact split the topic so the only replies left within this thread are relateing only to the problem in hand,i hope that explains it all,unfortunately some topics do go "off"topic easily whilst discussing possible solutions to a problem but in fact this sometimes has a benefit to the original poster as to a possible resolve to there problem or at least a means of illiminating certain things,as for fuel cleaners there are lots on the market and i beleive by posting more than one type it then gives everybody an idea of what the product is like,hopefully you will find a resolve to your problem and get it fixed as soon as possible but in the meantime I'm sure people posting here are only trying to help,as are we all.atb
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Ginja Nutz
Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 347 Location: Norwich,
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 16:17 Post subject: |
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Hi wendy,
Have you looked in the yellow pages under "Diesel Fuel Injection".
There are people who specialise in diesel fuel systems. They have all the diagnostic equipment, along with ultrasonic injector cleaning tanks etc.
Give one a ring, they may be able to give you an idea of whats wrong and how much it is likely to cost over the phone.
I would personally try this route before splashing out on new injectors.
:D
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petemillis
Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 709 Location: Brighton, UK
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 16:18 Post subject: |
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Wendy, your best bet is to go to a diesel specialist and get them to give the fuel system a once over. To recondition the injectors you'd be looking at about £150 but this should improve economy and hence pay for itself.
Friend of mine has just had a reconditioned fuel pump fitted and the injectors reconditioned for just over £600. Most of that was the pump.
Like I say - injectors alone then about £150. _________________ Pete
1995 Delica Space Gear Exceed (PE8W) in LaGuardia silver with chrome tints and BIG round things. |
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bobgell
Joined: 14 Mar 2004 Posts: 88 Location: Cardiff
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 16:27 Post subject: |
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Try Lucas (LSUK). They do ultrasonic cleaning of injectors. Had my petrol ones done. Presumably they do diesel ones too. They do a good job though at about £75 for 4 |
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Marc Lifetime member
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 16:31 Post subject: |
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Can confirm at least in this are that LSUK do actually do all diesel work and also supply a good range of injector cle............. oh weve already covered that one
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wendo100
Joined: 11 Apr 2004 Posts: 16 Location: oxford
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 17:49 Post subject: Thanks |
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Thankyou, I don,t thing it is the pump, more like the injectors, or an injector sticking, or blocked. I will ring around and find out a bit more. I hate going to garages with know idea of whats wrong, gives them an open channel to rip me off and I hate that.
Bob Gill, what exhaust system do you use on your lightweight, I have a lightweight also fitted with a rover V8, but the exhaust is so rusted out I can,t tell what its from, can you help???
thanks wendy. |
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petemillis
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 18:42 Post subject: |
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Wendy, your best bet is definitely to go to a diesel specialist and let them know how knowledgeable you are. Sure you'll be fine. _________________ Pete
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 19:01 Post subject: |
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On a petrol injection engine you should ensure that all injectors are flowing at the same rate or within a small percentage of each other. Is this as critical with a diesel engine, as you say Wendy, you suspect an injector. Perhaps they are not all equal?
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wendo100
Joined: 11 Apr 2004 Posts: 16 Location: oxford
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 19:22 Post subject: hi again |
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Due to it raining over the coming weekend, I will be spending time in the garage with the diesel pressure meter. I intent to check the pressure to the pump an dfrom the pump and then to each injector in turn. The more I think about it and drive the car The more it logs injector, these do go down at a rate of knots and can give all sorts of fun and games. I have also send off for a new filter, and injetor washers just in case I need to pull one or two. I will let you know how I get on next week
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petemillis
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 19:36 Post subject: |
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Wendy, I think I'll pop my Delica up to your place for a service _________________ Pete
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deandownunder
Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 59 Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Posted: Wed Jun 23, 2004 23:01 Post subject: |
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Hey Pete, I think Wendy is having a lend of us. You might get a big shock if you go up there for a service. Cheers. |
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Posted: Thu Jun 24, 2004 7:33 Post subject: |
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deandownunder wrote: |
Hey Pete, I think Wendy is having a lend of us. You might get a big shock if you go up there for a service. Cheers. |
You could be right Dean, wendo100 could just be Wendover, in Oxfordfordshire. |
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BUTCH
Joined: 18 Mar 2004 Posts: 65 Location: Durham (just down from Scotland)
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Posted: Fri Jun 25, 2004 23:13 Post subject: |
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Had my injectors fully reconditioned, new nozzles, springs and all. Cost £157.
P.S. Tried cleaner first! heh heh heh _________________ CHEERS MAN. |
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Marc Lifetime member
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Posted: Sun Jun 27, 2004 18:00 Post subject: |
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Sorry to hear about your injector troubles wendo i wonder what caused them?
Could just be genreral wear and tear thoi suppose if bad grade fuel has been used at anypoint etc
Or It could have been overdoseing with injector cleaner i suppose sorry couldn't resist that wiuth all the talk about injector cleaners the other day :D
Hope you get it sorted soon and it doesn't cost too much to do so all the best
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