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THE KICK INSIDE
Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 1592 Location: Staffordshire
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 21:10 Post subject: another tyre question |
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i have an L400 with 16*8 rims (i think!)
came wiht yokohama geolander ht's (225/70r16) on the back (prob 2/3 worn) and unnamed brand of same size on front (fitted by dealler to replace the tracked out yoko's)
use is mainly on road....so far but we do get snow where i live (and a bit higher up a lot of it to go play in!)
I have noticed a propencity for the back to slide in the rain, and the wife complains of wheel spin in the rain....have to say i have done it too...
now being as the fronts are new and I'm feeling poor I'm after opinions about if changing the backs will make any differencve, and if so to what - i don't mind going wider but i want to maintain a similar rolling diameter.... _________________ A Delica - ITS LIKE A SWEDISH BRICK...ONLY BIGGER! |
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Jev
Joined: 21 Mar 2004 Posts: 297 Location: St. Ives, Cambs
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 21:14 Post subject: |
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Apparently the "best" treaded tyres should always be on the rear of the vehicle - if that helps you get started?
As for the wheel spin - stick it in 4 wheel drive? :D _________________ 1995 Super Exceed LWB Chrome Pack |
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chiefie
Joined: 25 May 2004 Posts: 2163 Location: fleetwood lancashire
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 21:20 Post subject: |
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Jev wrote: |
Apparently the "best" treaded tyres should always be on the rear of the vehicle - if that helps you get started?
As for the wheel spin - stick it in 4 wheel drive? :D |
i agree, better for the front to lose grip than the rear, front wheel slide is easier to control that a fishtail down the road
4WD works well in the wet _________________ delicarik@hotmail.co.uk |
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THE KICK INSIDE
Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 1592 Location: Staffordshire
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 21:28 Post subject: |
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well i had got to the use 4WD myself....but I'm thinking maybe those old yoko's have been there a while, fairly worn...snows a comming and the tead isn't very deap...
so lets assume they are toast...what to replace with? _________________ A Delica - ITS LIKE A SWEDISH BRICK...ONLY BIGGER! |
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Rusty Site Admin
Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 3358 Location: Hampshire/Dorset border!
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 22:11 Post subject: |
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I've always been told it's best to have the best tyres on the front :?
Don't forget this good site for wheel & Tyre comparisons: http://www.1010tires.com/TireSizeCalculator.asp?action=submit
Might add that inputing your tyres sizes... It came up with the rim size needed was 6-7" which means your 8"rims are too big But I would guess that they may be smaller dependant on how or where you measured them I believe the measurement is taken between the inside edges of the rim, where the tyre fits... (I'm not a tyre-fitter)
IMHO the optimum size tyres on a 16" rim would probably be a 245/70x16" or better still 255/65x16"s on a otherwise standard Deli. This should avoid arch clearance problems etc. _________________
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THE KICK INSIDE
Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 1592 Location: Staffordshire
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 22:14 Post subject: |
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ahhh but that increases the rolling diameter far above the standard doesn't it?
rims...hmm i did a rouch measure on the outside edges...have to look more carefully i guess! _________________ A Delica - ITS LIKE A SWEDISH BRICK...ONLY BIGGER! |
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THE KICK INSIDE
Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 1592 Location: Staffordshire
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 22:16 Post subject: |
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rims say 7jj*16 on the stickers on them.....guess thats 7 * 16 then?? _________________ A Delica - ITS LIKE A SWEDISH BRICK...ONLY BIGGER! |
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Rusty Site Admin
Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 3358 Location: Hampshire/Dorset border!
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 22:21 Post subject: |
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THE KICK INSIDE wrote: |
ahhh but that increases the rolling diameter far above the standard doesn't it? |
Standard 225/80x15 tyre is around 29.17 in dia.
or 215/80x15 = 28.54 in dia.
Most common UK replacement = 235/75x15 which is 28.87 in dia.
255/65x16" = 29.05 in dia.
Figures taken from the www.1010 tyre site...
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rims say 7jj*16 on the stickers on them.....guess thats 7 * 16 then?? |
YEP _________________
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Jev
Joined: 21 Mar 2004 Posts: 297 Location: St. Ives, Cambs
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 22:23 Post subject: |
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Best tread on the rear or front ?
- I saw a demonstration - sharp corner on wet track
- poor tread on rear made back end flip round before front lost traction.
- with best tread on back the front starts to understear - corrected by either a bit of welly or braking - i.e. at least some control.
Seems to make sense? _________________ 1995 Super Exceed LWB Chrome Pack |
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Rusty Site Admin
Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 3358 Location: Hampshire/Dorset border!
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 22:31 Post subject: |
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Jev wrote: |
Best tread on the rear or front ?
- I saw a demonstration - sharp corner on wet track
- poor tread on rear made back end flip round before front lost traction.
- with best tread on back the front starts to understear - corrected by either a bit of welly or braking - i.e. at least some control.
Seems to make sense? |
This could be an interesting debate... I think I was told that if you have the best tread on the front then, as most panic type braking etc is in a straight line... i.e. when you are about to rear-end someone then you need the grip on the front. To be honest, I can see both sides of the coin here. But I keep the best tyres on the front of my company van and as far as my Deli is concerned they are all equally bold (Joke... I've just put my ATs back on for winter ) _________________
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Rusty Site Admin
Joined: 11 Mar 2004 Posts: 3358 Location: Hampshire/Dorset border!
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 22:36 Post subject: |
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I stand corrected I've just been off and googled (oh er) and found most evidence says put new tyres on the rear...
Say no more _________________
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THE KICK INSIDE
Joined: 31 Jul 2005 Posts: 1592 Location: Staffordshire
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Posted: Wed Sep 28, 2005 23:15 Post subject: |
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cooper discover at 225/70/r16 (least its not goignto lead to wind up!) £64 a pop inc the dreaded - views anyone? _________________ A Delica - ITS LIKE A SWEDISH BRICK...ONLY BIGGER! |
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billy bob
Joined: 03 Jan 2005 Posts: 1221 Location: Benwick, Nr March CAMBS
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 7:45 Post subject: |
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just to confuse the debate, i always put the best tread on the DRIVE axle whether front or rear drive
andy _________________ Andy
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Jev
Joined: 21 Mar 2004 Posts: 297 Location: St. Ives, Cambs
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 17:13 Post subject: |
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I'll stop hi-jacking this thread after this - the dome I saw was a front wheel drive car...... _________________ 1995 Super Exceed LWB Chrome Pack |
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chiefie
Joined: 25 May 2004 Posts: 2163 Location: fleetwood lancashire
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Posted: Thu Sep 29, 2005 20:23 Post subject: |
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should be new to rear in all cases, front, rear, or 4 wheel drive . as stated on a tyre fitting course i attended.
for the reasons stated above re: skid control on cornering
hth
(i'm sure i've said that before somewhere :? deja vu maybe ) _________________ delicarik@hotmail.co.uk |
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Tinca Lifetime member
Joined: 22 Feb 2005 Posts: 241 Location: LEEDS, West Riding of Yorkshire
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Posted: Fri Oct 14, 2005 18:19 Post subject: |
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Well having worked for Dunlop & Bridgestone Tyres - on the technical side, not the fitting side, I can catagorically say that part worn tyres have better road adhesion than full tread.( Think F1 intermediates)
For this reason I put the most worn tyres on the front of my vehicles coz I like to have control of the front end of my vehicles.
Having said that my beloved took the Deli to get new front tyres fitted I gave instructions that the wheels be swopped around so the new tyres were on the back and yes they came back fitted to the front, I've not got round to changing them yet but will probably do so on Sunday after the Blackpool Lights Run.
I put adhesion ahead of rolling diameter & wind up etc etc.
Just in case you haven't realised - Were going to Blackpool meet 2morra! :D _________________ Happiness is being owned by a Jack Russell Terrier! |
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