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| Lewis wrote: |
| Just remembered I took a photo of V8 rick's towing gear. |
of course you did! 
sad sight though isn't it, seeing the warrior towed  |
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annek
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2022 2:04 Post subject: |
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| Lewis wrote: |
| I recall that several years back, when V8 rick (RIP) was still with us, he came, in his own Deli, to collect mine which had a blown transmission. He had a rigid towing unit that fastened to my front axle/ steering, allowing him to tow it, with the wheels still on the ground. All he did was disconnect the rear end of the propshaft and bungee tied it up to the exhaust pipe, put it in neutral, with a towing electrics board on the back end. then took it back to the farm workshop he worked in, with me in his passenger seat. He loaned me a car to use, on his insurance. Then three days later I drove back to his house and collected mine back. All for a very reasonable price that no local garage could match. 😀👍 |
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| Posted: Fri Mar 25, 2022 2:13 Post subject: |
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O.K. Folks - - Might be some heavy reading here. So, I'll keep it brief.
A towed vehicle will follow the towing vehicle - - Where a two point fixing is made to the towed vehicle.
The front (steering) wheels will turn in accordance with the forces exerted by the towing vehicle.
A single bar, will not allow towed vehicle or trailer to follow the towing vehicle accurately.
Same as a Tow Rope.
Think of a trailer (Like a caravan, not D plate type artic) single articulating point at towing vehicle - and A frame as part of trailer.
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cool, that makes sense to me, I think!
so, can use an A frame with the two point fixing, wheels can move freely to follow the towing vehicle, in neutral, if manual, and providing all the lighting/reg plate on rear, all good to go? All four wheels on the ground in this scenario, but is possible to have just rear two on the ground with a different type of A frame @fostlongstrider /Ian |
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Lewis
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2022 10:47 Post subject: |
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That looks like what V8 rick used to tow mine.
Unfortunately I couldn't hear what was being said, whilst the engine was running, regarding anything being done to fasten the steering wheel in place.
Edited to remove word Pajero. Don't know how that crept in.
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| Posted: Sat Mar 26, 2022 11:07 Post subject: |
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Lewis, could you disengage the front hubs on yours ?
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No!
Only disengaged if left in 2WD.
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so does that make it possible to flat tow a Deli ?
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2022 13:41 Post subject: |
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If it's a manual, yes, - if an auto, detach rear prop shaft to prevent the wheels turning the transfer box and gearbox output (auto gearbox is the issue, as all gears are permanently in mesh)
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I thought so, i was a bit confused by the pic.... cheers Andy...
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| Posted: Mon Mar 28, 2022 18:14 Post subject: |
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| andyman wrote: |
| If it's a manual, yes, - if an auto, detach rear prop shaft to prevent the wheels turning the transfer box and gearbox output (auto gearbox is the issue, as all gears are permanently in mesh) |
And MUST be in 2WD. OR - Disconnect front prop shaft.
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annek
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 13:42 Post subject: |
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| Deker wrote: |
| andyman wrote: |
| If it's a manual, yes, - if an auto, detach rear prop shaft to prevent the wheels turning the transfer box and gearbox output (auto gearbox is the issue, as all gears are permanently in mesh) |
And MUST be in 2WD. OR - Disconnect front prop shaft.
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oh! right so if a 4WD vehicle then put in 2WD, what if its a 2WD vehicle, does that mean it will matter whether its front or rear wheel drive? |
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annek
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 13:43 Post subject: |
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and ....lateral thinking...
what would happen if you towed a car backwards? |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 18:47 Post subject: |
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| Lewis wrote: |
That looks like what V8 rick used to tow mine.
Unfortunately I couldn't hear what was being said, whilst the engine was running, regarding anything being done to fasten the steering wheel in place. |
I think I caught him saying to leave the keys in the ignition in position I, but it was hard to be sure like you say, with the engine running, that was a bit of a school-boy error on his part and the cameraman's. |
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| Posted: Fri Apr 01, 2022 22:11 Post subject: |
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If you do towing with all wheels in contact with the road -
The the steering must be UNlocked - - That is, with the ignition key in the lock,
and of course the steering unlocked.
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annek asked: "what would happen if you towed a car backwards?"
You would have to lock the steering and lift the back wheels/put them on a dolly, which is an option for an auto, as long as it is in 2WD (rear wheel drive), so the front wheels just roll. The castor angle built into all steering is what allows the car to go straight on if you take your hands off the wheel going forwards on a level road (no camber). Doing the same thing going backwards, the castor angle ensures the car steers off the road!
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| Posted: Sun Apr 03, 2022 0:34 Post subject: |
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thats a good option then for autos, in 2WD, as it wouldn't clock miles either   
do the hooks through the holes in the wishbones actually direct the wheels around bends/r'bouts? I guess they must do. |
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Yes, going forwards. If you pull a shopping trolley, the castors will always turn around to a trailing position, and then will turn and follow in whatever direction you steer. Of course, unlike shopping trolleys, the front wheels on your Delica will not turn right round and face the other way! 
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| Posted: Tue Apr 05, 2022 16:49 Post subject: |
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I like the shopping trolley analogy, but I didn't know that the steering wasn't already bi-directional, unlike the shopping trolley; if the steering was locked straight, and it only being on two wheels would that make it the same as any trailer, as its the four wheels that create the issues with trailing, but that would mean using a [very costly] 'dolly'.
thanks for the explanations |
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