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L400 PD6W 2006 petrol engine E10 fuel compatibility

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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 11:50    Post subject: L400 PD6W 2006 petrol engine E10 fuel compatibility Reply with quote

So we will soon be forced either to pay for premium petrol with only 5% Ethanol or use regular unleaded with 10% Ethanol.

The fact that engines will run less efficiently and rainforests/food producing land is turned over to ethanol thereby negating any environemtal benefits is out of my hands.

But will my engine put up with 10% ethanol fuel. As it is a 2006 I suspect not and gambling on an aging engine also seems foolhardy.

Thanks for genuine insight into whether I will soon be paying even more to run my van as I have to go premium.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 16:06    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am new to the 6G72 petrol engine, having run a diesel 4M40 for 14 years.

I was expecting fuel consumption to be rather shocking, but it is even worse than I had anticipated. I drive gently most of the time trying not to go above 3,000rpm. With the diesel, I was able to keep it a bit lower than this.

Does anyone have experience to share of using premium grade petrol?

Is it safe to use on this engine (2002)? Are there any risks?

I would consider the extra cost if it there was a clear benefit with improved mpg? I am considering lpg conversion in the long run.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 26, 2021 16:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

The E10 is the new offering, which has been in use on the continent for ages.

The previous is being renumbered as E5 and will still be available at fuel stations. You just need to check which filler you pick up.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 14:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, but is the 2006 petrol engine in the Delica capable of running E10 long tem without damage, was my question.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 27, 2021 16:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

Try this:- https://check-vehicle-compatibility-e10-petrol.service.gov.uk/manufacturer/Mitsubishi

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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:22    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are there any Deli’s with a GDI engine?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

Only the Petrol ones!  Wink
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 03, 2021 11:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Even I worked that out😄. I’ll rephrase to which petrol engine (if any) is a GDI
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 8:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

Can anyone please clarify whether a PD6W is the cars model or it’s engine?  Can’t find much on the internet and Wikipedia Delica page says that the 4th generation 3.0 V6 is a 6G72 engine?
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

PD6W is the frame - The lettering following that code denotes what is included in the body build.

PD6W frame Mitsubishi Delica Space Gear = SWB - PF6W = LWB
     
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The 6G engine block is the Cyclone series.

6G71 2.0 L
6G72 3.0 L
6G73 2.5 L
6G74 3.5 L
6G75 3.8 L

The 6G72 used in the Delica is a 24 Valve SOHC GDI  (The DOHC variant is twin turbo)

GDI = direct injection of fuel otherwise it is a Naturally aspirated one, using a Carburetter.
A GDI  engine uses a leaner (thinner) fuel mixture.

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 16:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

That clears it. Thanks Lewis.  So that means my Deli is a GDI and can’t use E10. Super unleaded it is then. Bet they shoot the price of that up 😕
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 16:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some places will still have E5 on sale, as there will be many needing it.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 17:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hmmm I have the 6G72 engine too - so only E5 for me. What happens if I drive in Spain where its mainly only E10 available? Is it okay to use a 'few' times here and there or very damaging? I assume it might 'eat' the fuel filter - what other damage could it do?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 19:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've not researched this massively, but as some know, I have a 6g72 converted to lpg.

I read a while back that only non gdi engines can be converted to lpg?

So, what do I have, as its worked for 3 years?
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 19:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curiouser and curiouser!

My 6G72 is also LPG converted.......?!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 20:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

LPG conversions are done by owners, after purchase.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 20:42    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lewis wrote:
LPG conversions are done by owners, after purchase.



Yes,,,,, but, if only non gdi engines can be converted to lpg?

There is possibly the chance that those of us that have conversions have non gdi, but the majority think the 6g72 fitted in the Deli is a gdi engine?

I think there is more info out there that the secret v6 oracle is hiding?

Who is he or she?

We need your wisdom.  Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 21:07    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also have the 6G72. What exactly is the issue using E10? I this something that will take years to reveal itself, or spells certain and early death for the engine?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 06, 2021 21:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

Searching Google on this subject using the engine code suggests that this issue has arrived in other countries earlier than to us in the UK. The consensus seems to be that E10 is probably not going to kill your engine components (fuel filter and pump) immediately, but  is not good for them in the long term.
However, that is almost a side issue as the loss of MPG and perfomance means that people state that even factoring in the higher per litre cost, the Premium E5 represents better value, so, painful as it will be to now switch to premium priced fill ups, hopefully the overall cost of driving won't noticeably increase...
I'm a bit sceptical of that to be honest, but we'll see.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 07, 2021 13:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’ve emailed mitsi uk for clarification and will post back if I get an answer
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