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NikTheGreek



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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 19:30    Post subject: Front wheel alignment Reply with quote

Recently i replaced the old Tyres with new ones but seems that there can be no Tyres alignment due to rusty bolts and nuts ( i don't know how to name them in English ... sorry )  Embarassed

The guy at the shop told me that there is the option to cut the old rusty bolts and replace them with new ones , thing that i want to avoid.
Any idea or suggestion on how to loosen these bolts in order to align the front Tyres ?

Thank you in advance.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 19:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

4x4's can only have their wheels aligned by a specialist, using a laser setup.

See this photo for more info and photos:- http://www.MDOCUK.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=32388

What your mechanic may be thinking are rusted nuts and bolts are actually special bolts with cam shaped heads, that also have another cam shaped at the rear. They are turned to adjust the alignement.

It is  very unusual for those to seize up, so that you have to cut them up

As per these:-



If he doesn't know what he is doing go somewhere else.

However if I am wrong and the cams are seized then you can get new ones from this company:-

http://www.milneroffroad.com/mitsubishi-uk-europe/shogun/v78s-3-2did-22000-82006-lwb/v78s-suspension-0/v78s-suspension-wishbone-front-lower-camber-bolt-kit-1

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 20:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you mean the cam/eccentric/off-centre pivot bolts through the upper swinging arm/wishbone which connect it to the chassis? These should not lose alignment unless the rubber bushes are worn.  Can you get a grinder onto one side of the nut, either to cut through the nut or grind away one side of it without damaging the bolt? Or use a drill-powered wire brush to thoroughly clean off rust, and applying lots of WD40 or PlusGas, left to soak between trying the nut with a strong socket and extension bar. Or do you mean the track rod end ball joints on the steering arms ( track rods)? These may need heating to dull red to free them, plus soaking as above, but will then need renewing, as the rubber gaiters will burn.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 07, 2017 22:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

WoW .... Yes .. was a good lesson .  :D
In two replies and a few lines you taught me almost everything about tyre alignment and how to fix rusty bolts.

I guess that he meant ( my mechanic) that all joints must be free of rust in order  to do his job without any problem.

Thank you both ...  thumbright
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 18:29    Post subject: Can bolts Reply with quote

Hi all...
Does anyone know where I can get a pair of lower front cam bolts for my L400?
The existing were totally seized inside the bush and had to be hammered and cut out thus destroying them.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 18:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mentioned that at the bottom of my post above.   Rolling Eyes   Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Feb 15, 2017 9:42    Post subject: Thanks Reply with quote

Thank you kind sir! Wasn't sure if the ones in your link would be suitable for the L400. Ordering some now!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 14:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here is the Rusty Camber bolt
Do i have any chance to cure the problem using heating , hammer and  WD40 bath ?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 14:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've seen worse than that.  :D

Once the WD40 has been allowed to soak in overnight try to slightly tighten the nut on the bolt, to break the 'rust seal' then undo and redo the nut to ease it off enough to fully remove it.


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 18:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

Using enough heat to make a difference will burn your rubber bushes, so soak and soak again, and use good quality, tight fitting spanners, preferably with a hex hole, not 12 point star, so less chance of slipping. Even better if you can  get an extension bar on it.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 18:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

Be careful though, as a long bar can induce you to put more leverage on than you need, which can shear the bolt.  Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 20:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

nut already is loose and i can undo it using the above method ( The  side depicted on pic ) the weekend we will try to release the body of the bolt in order to be able to turn free inside the rubber bushe.
I will keep you informed ...

Thank you once again.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2017 21:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

Once you have the nut off then use a punch or short bar to push the bolt through.  Wink
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 22:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

bad news ....  Crying or Very sad
rubber bush burned by flame torch while trying to remove the bolt ...
don't ask me how ..  Evil or Very Mad
i guess that the mechanic was not sure on what he was doing ...  Question
Anyway ...

Next question concerning ( probably ) the same problem ..
how can i tell if the swinging arm is bended even slightly..
there is any way to  measure it without removing it ?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 22:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

No, no, - I warned you not to use heat for exactly that reason!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 22:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

i know , i know .... you are right..
i told him ...but he was deaf ...  angry4
i'm trying to forget it
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 24, 2017 22:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, I hope you get it sorted. Your mechanic owes you a favour.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 21:31    Post subject: Reply with quote

The wishbones are very strong and stiff. To twist them, iny opinion, would require a sharp impact which would deform part of it visibly.  Jacking the van up high enough so you can look at both wishbones at once from underneath may help you to assess the trueness or otherwise of the wishbones. I am not sure  how exactly similar gaps and levels should be from 1 side to the other in vehicle manufacture of this vintage, but if you don' t have a good eye for this,   you may need a laser alignment  shop anyway. A less high-tech, and rough check would be to park it on a totally flat and level floor, and measure the camber on the front wheels with a spirit level. Your tyres will need to match perfectly so hub centres are the same height across each axle, as will wheel arch to hub centre measurements. It is possible your torsion bar or rear spring has sagged, or been incorrectly adjusted.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 25, 2017 21:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

NikTheGreek wrote:
there is any way to  measure it without removing it from chassi[/b]


Very difficult without specialised measuring tools for your model.
Best to compare with another - I know - probably not another Delica any where near you.

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2017 10:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

It should be a mirror image of the one on the other side.  Rolling Eyes  Wink
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