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jejoenje
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 14:51 Post subject: L300 4WD indicator light sender - reconnecting? |
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Hello all
While I've been waiting for new glow plugs to arrive and for the garage to make some time to do my belts, I've been having a look at and think about more minor issues with "the beastie".
So the 4WD indicator light on my 1992 L300 doesn't come on. I knew this when I got it, and the 4WD works very well - the hubs engage and disengage (audibly) and the "wheel lock" indicator comes on.. just no 4WD light.
The previous owner said it had worked while in his ownership, but while fitting a new exhaust a few years back he knocked a connector loose on the gearbox housing, and the indicator light hasn't worked since (so I don't think it's just the dash light that's fooked).
Anyway, I've had a look at said "connector" and here is a couple of photos of it:
Can anyone confirm that this is what I am looking for?
Perhaps more importantly, any suggestions as to how to reconnect it?? I can't even really work out where it is supposed to be connected to!
The other wires appear to be connected to a couple of the hex bolts into the housing, and disappear over the top of the housing, but I can't find any cables that it should have been connected to... Odd? Or should I just look a bit harder??
I've had a look at the workshop manuals (thank you to whoever provided these btw - they are awesome) but neither them nor the Russek book appear to have a detailed diagram of this.
Any help greatly appreciated! Although I can live without the indicator, I'd love to have it working again.
Cheers
Jeroen |
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Lewis Site Admin
Joined: 25 May 2006 Posts: 16295 Location: Huddersfield
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 22:06 Post subject: |
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Those 4WD switches are not repairable, you can only replace them.
Your local mitsu dealers parts dept will be able to get them for you.
I'm not as familiar with the L300's as the L400's; but the part number may be MD704162 or MD704163.
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jejoenje
Joined: 20 Aug 2016 Posts: 785 Location: Alloa, Scotland
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 22:31 Post subject: |
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Thanks Lewis!
I'll have a look for a replacement switch then.
Any ideas as to what would be replaced? I assume it would be an entire cable/switch connector assembly? |
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jejoenje
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 22:33 Post subject: |
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I should clarify, quite happy to replace the whole thing rather than need to get the soldering iron out, it's just that I don't actually know how it SHOULD be connected (and where).
Anyone have a working assembly that they could send me a photo of? |
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Lewis Site Admin
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 22:35 Post subject: |
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It is a twin cable switch, it just undoes like a bolt, but it has a plunger on the inside that moves up and down as a rod with grooves in it turns. The plunger being pushed in and out switches between kn and off.
It will be similar to this:-
You will also need to replace the spacer / washer at the same time, as they go in at a specific distance and over time they warp.
If I remember right Hyundai and Kia produced a rebadged version of the Pajero, in Korea, which used the same gearbox, so you may get one from an Autofactors cheaper than from Mitsubishi.
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jejoenje
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 23:03 Post subject: |
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Thats really useful thanks.
I'm still somewhat confused is that the remainder of the cable I can see (the bits I'm holding in the photo) actually seem to be the bits that are still attached to the switch itself. I assume this cable is supposed to disappear over the top of the gearbox housing (as the others do), presumably into a harness? But that's the bit I can't find.
I guess what I'm saying is, as it stands I have no reason to assume the switch itself is not working - its just not connected... |
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andyman
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Posted: Sun Nov 06, 2016 23:44 Post subject: |
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Just got back into digital communication with the world! If it's reasonably dry tomorrow evening, I'll have a look under my transfer box, and see where the wires run from the switch, and importantly, where they enter the body/cab. _________________ Andy C L300 Super Exceed - over 100 smiles per gallon! |
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Lewis Site Admin
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 0:05 Post subject: |
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Has it broken off the one on the right ?
The Mitsu parts diagram shows both switches to be twin cable switches. Ao I' m wondering if it is a bridging connector.
IE: one switch being to indicate 4WD and the other Hi/Lo range gears. _________________
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jejoenje
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 0:30 Post subject: |
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Thanks chaps!
Lewis, sorry, I think the two photos are a wee bit confusing - so the broken off cable I'm holding in the second photo is one of two attached to the bolt/switch on the top left hand side in the first photo - so it appears to be connected on the switch side, just not onto wherever that is supposed to go.
I'm assuming the bolt/switch that has the two cables coming out of it will be going to what is referred to as the "4WD indicator lamp harness connection" in the workshop manual (and the one in the center of both photos - with a single wire - being the "Backup-lamp harness connector"), but I don't have any further details. |
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Lewis Site Admin
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 3:18 Post subject: |
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Do you mean 7 and 8 on this page:-
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jejoenje
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Posted: Mon Nov 07, 2016 10:23 Post subject: |
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No I think that's the 2WD?
I was thinking of 7 and 8 here:
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jejoenje
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Posted: Wed Nov 09, 2016 21:39 Post subject: |
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OOh very nice thank you PinkPig...! I hadn't seen these diagrams before... I suppose they are the Mitsi parts catalogs? Very useful, definitely in case I will need to replace that switch.
Haven't got around to following this up (I too have been somewhat reluctant to crawl around on my back outside over the last few days :?) but I'm still thinking that I've just missed the other end of the broken cable (harness?) towards the other side of the gearbox. Essentially, the other end of part 30607 CABLE,T/F GEARSHIFT 4WD LAMP SWITCH in the last diagram of your second link.
As soon as I get a minute I will investigate and report back. |
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jejoenje
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Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2016 21:43 Post subject: |
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So, sadly I have made nil progress with this particular fix I'm afraid... basically I've been trying to work out where the cut wire is supposed to head to, from the bolt (I think the sender/switch bolt is fine, it's just that its cable is cut and I really don't know where it is supposed to head to... The cable next to it goes up and over the transmission housing into a wire loom (towards the side, and then heading off towards the front - I assume this is the "wheel lock" indicator sensor, which does work), but there is no evidence of any broken wire on that end I don't think - I've peeled the rubber sleeve off a little way to try to find out, but nothing there in terms of a broken end.
No thoughts anyone? My 4WD works fine and the "wheel lock" indicator really is sufficient, I'd now just ike to try to trace that bottom wire more than make sure the 4WD indicator light works (if it wasn't for the previous owner saying it worked before he replaced the exhaust, I might not even have bothered...). |
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jejoenje
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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 22:14 Post subject: |
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So this is an older thread, but I'm still no further with this. Largely because it wasn't bothering me.
However, I've just realised that this might not be actually nothing to do with the 4WD indicator light.... rather my reverse lights aren't working (no its not the bulbs!)...
Anyway... If anyone with an L300 (manual ideally but auto would be great too) could send me a picture or two of the two switches/senders (as per photographs earlier in the thread) coming out of the drivers side of the back of the transfer box, I would be really really grateful!!
I've been trawling the interwebs and all the workshop manuals for details on this, but I still can't work out what these two switches/senders are. Neither of them appear to be related to the "wheel lock" dash indicator (I've actually disconnected both and tested this earlier, that one works regardless).
Pretty please for photos? _________________ 1992 L300 Exceed "Selma" |
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jejoenje
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Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 20:16 Post subject: |
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Right, so I realise this is going off the original topic a bit, but given that my nonexistent reversing lights are a tad bit more of a pressing problem, I've been continuing investigations.
I've now realised that as well as the loose connection in the photos above (the two senders/switches together on the O/S of the transfer case), I have another loose connection further towards the front, on the O/S of the actual gearbox casing, again on a similar looking switch.
From what I've gleaned from other threads elsewhere, e.g.
http://www.~.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=1769
and this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Qn7Ta5rptA
... I now suspect that it is THIS that is the reversing light switch, and the other two (on the transfer case) must be something else (perhaps to do with the 4WD indicator?).
I'll post a photo tomorrow but it looks like one of the wires has broken off the end of the switch, and would be very difficult to repair - nothing to solder to. Has anyone tried to mend something like this?
Anyway, as also noted in much of the stuff I found online about this, it's very tricky to trace these little blighters in parts diagrams etc. I've been scouring the parts catalog for it, looking a the gearbox and transmission sections particularly, but I'm stumped...
Any one any idea of the part number for the switch???
Thanks as always! _________________ 1992 L300 Exceed "Selma" |
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andyman
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Posted: Mon Jun 26, 2017 0:26 Post subject: |
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Finally had a look at mine. The 2 switches on the driver's side are connected by a single short wire, then a wire from each goes over the transfer box to join into a loom also containing the wires from the similar switch attached to the rear of the front prop shaft drive casing. It makes sense that this switch is one of the 4WD indicator switches, as it is positioned to pick up movement in this shaft. The wires, now all wrapped in one loom, run forward on the nearside and into the body behind the front wheel. I could try disconnecting each connector at a time, to find out which lights go off, but I am worried I might snap one off at the switch. Or I might be able to check when they complete a circuit, by using my multi- meter .More tomorrow. _________________ Andy C L300 Super Exceed - over 100 smiles per gallon! |
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