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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 15:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

okay, Il give you guys an on going progress report (whether you like it or not).  As I mentioned earlier in the thread I bought a Deli from this guy a few weeks ago.  basically because of this thread and your suggestions I took the car to be checked out by someone reputable.  Before I go on he had said he'd charged £25 for giving the car a once over, over an hour. He felt that sorry for me after 10 minutes he refused to charge me!

Basically the car is a total turkey.Within 10 minutes he listed half a dozen serious faults that would immediatly fail an MOT. All based around excessive corosion in the chassis.Long story short its really really bad and has probably been bad for a long time, which shows that some of the service history and MOT cert's are fraudulent. I am not saying that this guy Dean has issued these certificates or had anything to do with them personally however as the last one is form a garage in Suffolk.

Anyway my mate didn't even need to spend any longer than 10 minutes to find many serious failings with the vehicle.Its also has a power steering rack leak and an engine oil leak. At this point he didn't bother to look any more at my car.So there may be some other problems with it but I don't know as yet.

I have just spoke with Dean who sold me the car, told him the verdict and that it was recomended to me that the car was sold not at all fit for purpose.  Dean has apologised and asked me to bring the car back so he can let his garage look at it.

Everytime I have dealing with him over this car I will update this thread so we can accurately see if the former accusations are legitimate!
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 17:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

If he's told you to bring it back so he can rectify faults then he should be given the chance, but mechanical items can be changed, rust and rot is a different matter and not easily rectified properly
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 18:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

albideli wrote:
If he's told you to bring it back so he can rectify faults then he should be given the chance, but mechanical items can be changed, rust and rot is a different matter and not easily rectified properly


Thats right.Obviously I spoke to the guy made him aware of my problems and now he wishes to have it verifed for himself.So far can not fault him for that.  However It is true that rust/rot, in this case are not going to be easily rectifiable. Possibly totally pointless to try and rectify, so Im told.
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 19:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well to be fair when i spoke to him on the phone he followed the same routine as i have now read on pajero forum....

He says he has delt with delis for seven years on his add.....different cars have the same set of pics mixed up

AND he didn't seem to know about the brake lines through the wing issue.....which is odd for someone who has been dealing in delis for seven years...

I really hope you get your stuff sorted fella, i had what i thought was a terminal crack in the last one i had but it was fixed no problem...not always as bad as it looks.
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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 19:08    Post subject: Reply with quote

manant wrote:

I have just spoke with Dean who sold me the car, told him the verdict

and that it was recomended to me that the car was sold not at all fit for purpose.

recomended to me that the car was sold not at all fit for purpose.

Sorry, but I read that as "was sold"   "not at all fit for purpose"  Could you clarify please.

Just reading it, as would be a defending lawyer, who has seen your post on this site.

I feel for you laddo.

Anyways - best of luck with getting a refund, sod repairs, reckon would be a bodge  Sad

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PostPosted: Fri May 17, 2013 20:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fit for purpose is actually quite important in this case.  Car dealers used to sell on utter trash that had been traded in, or just sell rubbish like this guy is, and would then try and get out of it by saying that the car was "sold as seen".  Due to which they weren't responsible, trading standards however had other ideas, and motor traders must sell vehicles that are in reasonable condition,  now what that exactly means I'm not sure, but I would argue that if you bought it from a dealer you would expect it to pass an MOT, or at least do so without much hassle or a few jobs, not to have the chassis rebuilt and major mechanicals.

http://www.tradingstandards.gov.uk/cgi-bin/brighton-hove/con1item.cgi?file=*ADV0003-1011.txt
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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 20:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've just been looking at this guys ad`s on ebay and lo and behold he is selling a Delica for iirc £2,500.00 that i bought 18 mths ago accident damaged at the r/n/s although it wasn`t a write off i paid £600.00 for it at the time and beside the damage i did a few other jobs on it before selling it on although it was a resonably okay truck it most certainly isn`t worth anything like 2.5k  Rolling Eyes .

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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 0:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well my mechanic mate said if there was a roadside spot check the vehicle would be take off me immeadiately. I feel very stupid right now but ~im going to overcome my ego and keep a document on here of all this.  Like I said my mechanic friend spent only 10 minutes briefly looking the car over and in this time came up with 7 things that would be an on the spot MOT fail.He could t really be botherd looking any further in the the car. He was very polite and sympathised with me but it was obvious he knew I'd been taken for a ride. Like Iv said earlier I know noting about cars or mechanics (although I'd really like to learn now Iv discovered Delics!)

The previous MOT certs, were from Suffolk and they were blatantly hooky. Hard to pin that on Dean though.MOT dated november last year and from no where near Wigan!But this Deli is certainly only good for breaking and should never have been sold as a usable (family) car.  I guess thats what he meant by fit for purpose but more generally he meant not fit for legal road use.  The advice he gave me was I should be trying to get my money back or a replacement vehicle that hs been inspected by a third party and shown to be in good working order.

I dropped it off tonight at Deans and via text he told me he would take it to his garage he uses on Monday and get back to me. I await to hear his verdict Sad
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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 0:18    Post subject: Reply with quote

V8rick - I got your pm the other day but I wasn't allowed to reply as I havnt created enough posts on this forum yet.Iv saved your number mate.  Wink whatever happens Im getting another Deli! Hopefully one that  works?
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 21:52    Post subject: Reply with quote

hi mate have you had any luck dealing with this guy yet ? .

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PostPosted: Wed May 22, 2013 8:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

Took the Deli to him at weekend and he said hed put it in garage on Monday.Iv not heard back from him :? .going to ring him today. Will update in a bit!
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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 22:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

The garage has been to busy this week so far to look at my Deli for him. Make of that what you will.
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PostPosted: Thu May 23, 2013 22:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

Been in a similar situation in the past, remember its your tax and insurance ticking away....make him aware of this fact. The other issue is that it depends on how the works being paid for, going rate or a non paying job, if its a non paying job it'll keep getting pushed back  Crying or Very sad . just keep the pressure on unless he has a courtesy car whilst he rectifies faults not down to you, you're the one without a vehicle you've already paid for.
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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 5:56    Post subject: Reply with quote

albideli wrote:
just keep the pressure on unless he has a courtesy car whilst he rectifies faults not down to you, you're the one without a vehicle you've already paid for.


Don't forget that you have a legal right to ask for your money back, with additional payments to cover you for any financial losses incurred, such as insurance fees for changing to another vehicle.  Wink
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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 7:35    Post subject: Reply with quote

Without wanting to sound like an internet tough guy, having been burnt by someone selling me a heap of *beep* and trying to resolve it rather than just insisting on a refund - don't let him fix it.

Just get your cash and move on. Get your friend to put a written report together, and get notes from writing om anyone who saw the vehicle. Then get small claims, trading standards, and your MP involved. Bill him for every single consequential loss - time off from work, travel costs, insurance, taxi fares, etc. Keep copies of all letters you send him - he will loose them.

Eventually you might get your money back.
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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 7:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

i don't want to pee on anyones fireworks here but i think you have as much chance of getting a result here as a iceberg would have in the indian ocean  Sad .
this guy has been shown many times to be an out and out liar , he will jerk you off hoping that you will just get fed up and disapear , i do hope you get sorted but i wouldn`t hold my breath on this one .

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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 14:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks for all the responses guys. v8rick - in all honesty I just about suspected what your saying there  from the onset of realising I'd been sold a turkey because you started this thread. Still I think, (maybe misguidedly), that he said he wanted to get it looked at, so I gave him the benefit of the doubt to allow him to do this. This car isn't really fixable.(well it is just not worth doing financially, and it would be more than a day to do!) It took my guy less than 10 minutes to right it off so it wouldn't take another garage much longer to come to the same conclusion. I'm just trying to figure out what is the best way to go about resolving this.  I imagine the legal route would take a good long time?
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PostPosted: Sat May 25, 2013 7:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I imagine the legal route would take a good long time?

Depends.

Successful con men arn't stupid.

If it is clear to him that he will end up in court if he doesn't pay you and that he will loose, that you will be billing him for every single penny you can find an excuse to bill him for and that by the end of it he will be up to his eyeballs in trading standards and fraud investigations then he should refund before too long.

Small claims court is supposed to be fairly quick I think (Ie time units of months rather than years). And you may need to go that way if you want to see costs like insewerants and road tax again.
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 11:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

Latest update.I spoke to dean on Friday.His garage had still not seen my car as he said theyd been very busy, as they had 3 of his other cars in that week already. He said they'd look at it Tuesday or Wednesday after the bank holiday. He said that if the corrosion was as bad as I said it was then he'd be looking at giving me a full refund.(I did not prompt this). He said in all honesty he let that vehicle go out a bit too quickly and should have spent some time getting it looked at and sorted out before sale.He said He was a dealer and Im a customer so he admitted he was at fault for all this.Again none of this was prompted by me. We discussed the MOT cert's for the vehicle and he said he'd be looking at getting some money back off the guy he bought it from and maybe the MOT station where it had its last MOT's.  he said he'd be in touch with me Tuesday or Wednesday to sort out the money etc.

He seemed keener on saying he'd like to give me a refund than any other option, so fingers crossed!
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PostPosted: Mon May 27, 2013 11:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

Fingers crossed for you i have a little thought if you get a refund this will be back on sale with a years mot.
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