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DaveJ



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 21:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

okay so this saga continues....

When I went to pick this up I noticed the green lights for the rear wheels of the super select thing were not working. I was quickly told that it was because the bulbs would have gone as they are on all the time. He then proceeded to show me very quickly that the 4WD did work by putting it in 4WD - the front green lights then came on but the diff lock light didn't - again I was told it was the bulb and that all worked fine.

So this evening I took the dash out to check the bulbs - they hadn't blown they had been removed as had the wheel lock bulb, water temp bulb, hand brake bulb. So i replaced them. Now low and behold the diff light is flashing constantly and I now realise that it won't go into low box only 4 high. The centre diff light does go solid if you put it into 4chlor what ever it is gear stick. I cannot get it into low. This is a deliberate deception.

I quote from the ad... NO MECHANICAL ISSUES. (emphasis his not mine!) The carpets and interior have been valeted to a HIGH STANDARD.

THE CAR IS PRESENTED IN A CONDITION, I WOULD WANT TO BUY ONE.

CENTRAL LOCKING AND 2 POSTION SUSPENSION COMFORT CONTROL. ???? Where?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 23:09    Post subject: Reply with quote

Having found the threads and pics that Lewis and lskillan have put up about the various transfer box switches and the wheel lock switch I shall test those first.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 19:36    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any parts arrived yet? I can't believe Trading Standards haven't locked this creep up yet, he is a serious danger to the public, does yours have abs, and have you  checked if it or the warning bulb work? I would be tempted to get an AA/RAC report on the vehicle condition, although you have rectified some of the missing bulbs, which you can't/couldn't have proved he removed, but any claims as to mechanical condition  he should be liable for. I am happy to buy vehicles for which the seller makes no claims as to condition  - I know I'm going to have to check it out, but I am going to expect it cheap for that reason. I've had some genuine bargains, and I like to see trade - ins as they came in, before they've been valeted into a well-polished t*rd. Good luck, and keep us posted, the more this thread is updated, the fewer folks will be conned by him, hopefully.
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DaveJ



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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 20:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

andyman wrote:
Any parts arrived yet? I can't believe Trading Standards haven't locked this creep up yet, he is a serious danger to the public, does yours have abs, and have you  checked if it or the warning bulb work? I would be tempted to get an AA/RAC report on the vehicle condition, although you have rectified some of the missing bulbs, which you can't/couldn't have proved he removed, but any claims as to mechanical condition  he should be liable for. I am happy to buy vehicles for which the seller makes no claims as to condition  - I know I'm going to have to check it out, but I am going to expect it cheap for that reason. I've had some genuine bargains, and I like to see trade - ins as they came in, before they've been valeted into a well-polished t*rd. Good luck, and keep us posted, the more this thread is updated, the fewer folks will be conned by him, hopefully.


Cheers Andy,

In fairness the parts have arrived today as promised - well the head and bolts have at least. We are now having some wranglings about the work. He says his spanner monkey at his place can fit a head and it will cost him £150. I want Rick to do it and it will obviously be more than that but done right!

Not sure about the ABS? Will need to check. Can you see the sensor rings without removing a wheel?

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 20:20    Post subject: Reply with quote

As I said I shall reserve final judgement on this until later in the piece ...but some statements of facts as they have occurred.

So far in my dealings with this guy he hasn't been rude to me. He did apologies for the problem that I have had stating he knew nothing of any faults. He then said he would source the parts required and send them to me. He has sent me some (no radiator yet) parts (head, gaskets, bolts etc) and has offered to pay for the majority of the cost of having V8 Rick do the repair work, however, I need to contribute to this cost. His argument about that is that his own garage could do the work and would cost him nothing more than he pays his staff anyway. His staff member is not competent to do this work so i insisted on someone who is - he will pay for some of that.

I have obviously found bulbs missing from the dash board but as Andy says can't prove who removed them. We had the car up on ramps yesterday and the underneath is in a reasonable rust free condition and the ball joints etc look okay. There has been a very poor attempt to spray some waxoil underneath the motor. Its on everything it probably shouldn't be - bushes, exhaust, nuts and bolts etc and nothing it should be chassis, under-body etc....ho hum.

So I shall now wait to see if he pays for his part of the current repairs that are needed.

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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 15:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi there

What was your outcome on your dealings with this dude?
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DaveJ



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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2014 19:40    Post subject: Reply with quote

exarkun wrote:
Hi there

What was your outcome on your dealings with this dude?


okay I will try and stay with the facts as much as I can here over my feelings.....

So to all the issues that I mentioned previously....

After buying the car as we know it over heated possibly due to a combination of things to do with a questionable head gasket and a dodgy radiator repair. He claimed he knew nothing about it and would send me another radiator and a new head and gasket set. The radiator has never arrived and I bought my own (he was only going to get one off one he is breaking anyway). He did have a new head and gasket set sent to me which did arrive as promised.

We then had a dispute as to paying for the work to be done. I wanted someone who knew what they were doing to do the work which clearly was going to mean paying properly for the job to be done properly by someone who knows what they are doing. He didn't want to pay for the job to be done properly (I think doing jobs properly is not what he is about). He claimed that he could have a new head installed for £150. Remember this job takes someone who knows what they are doing  and doesn't stop for a break 4 hours plus. He claimed that it would only cost him £150 for a head job because he could have the bloke who works for him do it. (Sorry not a friggin chance). I said that the bloke who works for him is not a mechanic and hasn't got a scoobie doo what he is doing - to which I was told that wouldn't matter because he himself was/is a qualified mechanic and he would over see any of the work. Yeah right okay!

So in the end he agreed to pay some money towards the head repair by someone qualified and experienced with these things and I paid the rest.

The car runs okay at present and has done since the head was repaired. The car itself doesn't seem too bad taking account of it being 20 years old but clearly there are one or two issues which you would probably expect a 'dealer' to rectify not least of which is the worn out breaks - disks and pads!  The bulbs that were missing from the dash might have been the previous owner or someone trying to hide something who knows, but, now they are re-installed the centre diff light falshes constantly on the superselect thing and the wheel lock light is on constantly.We wanted a LWB so had to just accept some warts I guess.

Would I buy from him again? Err....No

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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 10:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the update.

After wanting a Delica for many years I'm nearly in the position that I can start looking seriously.

I'm based in Lancaster so Wigan isn't too far away.  Deans place therefor isn't too far away for to look for a Delica.

After visiting his place a couple of months ago to check out what he had there I came on the forum and read some of the horror stories.  I wasn't sure if he was as bad as people say.  Quite often one person may have an issue then almost demonise someone as if they are always bad.

I was interested to find out what your experience had been with him and this has confirmed what others have said before.

Looks like I will have to look anywhere except this place for a Delica.
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 10:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

exarkun wrote:
Thanks for the update.

After wanting a Delica for many years I'm nearly in the position that I can start looking seriously.

I'm based in Lancaster so Wigan isn't too far away.  Deans place therefor isn't too far away for to look for a Delica.

After visiting his place a couple of months ago to check out what he had there I came on the forum and read some of the horror stories.  I wasn't sure if he was as bad as people say.  Quite often one person may have an issue then almost demonise someone as if they are always bad.

I was interested to find out what your experience had been with him and this has confirmed what others have said before.

Looks like I will have to look anywhere except this place for a Delica.


I think the truth of the matter is he buys these dirt cheap then washes them and gets his monkey to spray a little bit of black gunk (badly) all over the the bits where it isn't supposed to be and then sells them at an incredible markup. Any pre-existing problems that probably led to the truck being sold cheap to him in the first place get a plaster put on them (he is a qualified mechanic as well remember) and he hopes that the plaster stays on long enough for him and his horse to be well down the lane.
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 15:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi there,
I think you should listen to Rick, he contributed to this and other popsts regarding this guy, as he is highly regarded buy all on the forum and as a qualified mechanic actually knws what he is talking about...........I'd listen.
Now it's up to every one to roll their own dice... :D

HTH

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justabloke



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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:36    Post subject: Hopefully Honest Summary Reply with quote

okay , my two penneth.

I bought a Super Exceed in  a moment of weakness, way too many other things going on in my life to really think sensibly about buying Delia but I did it anyway on a spur from Dean--Simply Delicas -- Rosenthal in Leigh/Wigan.

Mine was sold with a full tweve month MOT  and refurbed turbo but on delivery had a broken speedo and rear fog light.  These were fixed pretty quickly, but after a week or so I spotted an old sidewall repair on one the tyres and took it to a local tyre specialist.  He stated in his opinion all five tyres should have had advisories due to age related cracking.  Got a vague reply froM Dean that he might have MOt'd it with another set of wheels but I had better alloys, anyway the MOT was only valid on the date is it was done.  So this is either is reprepresentation of just plain BS.   Also within six weeks of ownership I have spotted four split drive shaft boots and one split rack boot.

I have had the vehicle inspected by another import specialist in the North West who I was going to buy an Estima from, he has been in business with the same name for well over ten years specialising in imports.   He said all considered mine is actually pretty good with very little rust, which is what attracted me to the car.  So in about three months of Ownership I have dropped another £400 on the car for two new tyres, four front drive shaft boots two rack boots, all auxilliary belts changed, and new oil/air/fuel filters.  Its running pretty well I reacon now.  Aircon don't work, keeps blowing fuses but hey from what I have read on here air con faults are not that unusual.

My main grip with Dean is the mis representative advertising , fully refurbuished, all fault fixed etc .  Its just not true. I trusted him as an expert in these vehicles and paid extra buying from from an expert with back up. I knew it was probably £750 to £1k more then the others privatley sold on that auction site but the 12 month MOT and expert rating lured me in.


According to his advert mine should have had a double DIN stereo, obviosuly I knew it didn't and I wasn't fussed as I had a spare Alpine Ipod stereo at home anyway.  Dean  said he can sometimes "forget" to update his ebay ads correctly .. smelling a rat here.

My main reccomendations, get your head in the right place  before you buy a car, don't take the kids with you,  focus on the task, don't take things at face value and don't trust anyone.

Am I happy with my Deli now, yes, is it as good as it was advertised, probably no, was it too expensive, probably yes.

What ever folks say about this dealer he does always have a range of Deli's in.  if you know what you want and are confident in you inspection and testing skills why not, if your a newbie like I was I would go soemwhere else.

Hope this is a fair and un emotional post.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 12:44    Post subject: Clarity and visibility Reply with quote

A couple of observations to the mods/admins on this site

1-Great work keep it up

2-As a newbie I didn't find this part of the site until after I bought the bus, maybe it was me being slow but I thinn this section deserves to be higher up the list and more visibile in the FAQ?

as I said my head was in a bad place when I bought the bus and wanted to accomplish one of the many hassles  that was in my life at the time, maybe I didn't search the site that well.

Thanks for putting your time into keeping this forum a friendly helpfull place to be.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 14:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

I see Dean has some more for sale on A/Trader, which might be worth what he is asking if they were as described. His prices are what you would expect from a high quality main dealer for a fully inspected, repaired, and warrantied p/x, not for something you have to start fixing when you get it home. However, I made a similar mistake trading my beloved but high maintenance Renault cabriolet in for a 2 owner  Audi with FSH. Arrived late, didn't inspect it properly, and bought something with some potentially expensive faults, worst of all being the aircon. (How I've missed the drop-top!) But at least it's reliable and economical to run, and should cope with the milage. CAVEAT EMPTOR!! Sad
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PostPosted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 18:04    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi there,  

I've bought my first Deli, a 95 L400 super exceed a few months ago now and after trawling the many topics on here, i was more than a little horrified when i found this thread.

Same as some other people who've posted it seems all too late as this is the guy i bought from,,, so the very next day i went and gave the old bus a thorough check over, hoping not to find any horrors.

Fortunately, everything seems okay ,, very little rust anywhere, chassis really good , no rot spots. Most things work except for air con but that doesn't bother me at all
My reason for buying from him being that he is very local to me,(walking distance),,now the guy (Dean) seemed a nice enough guy and didn't mind me giving him a snagging list  "bring it in tomorrow and i'll sort it"  So i did,,,,,, Picked up later that day and found that the majority had not been done,,as they were only piddling little jobs decided to do them myself that way i know they are done and done proper!!!,,,,,,,,,,,,Thought not to bother going back to him for anything,, which after finding out about him on here was the best decision.

Don't get me wrong though the Deli is not perfect, as we all know  and  it is going on 20 years old so a few probs are to be expected and accepted.

I feel i have been very lucky as thing could have turned out totally different. Something really needs to be done about guys like this. That would make for an even bigger Deli grin!!!

I have also noticed he has a new trade name   "Trust Cars Northwest" ,,,, so one more to look out for

Paul
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 2:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

Clearly, some people have some negative stories and issues relating to vehicles purchased.

I have only ever bought used parts from him (as a breaker, twice) including once collecting direct - where he helped fix a power-steering seal problem that had occurred on the journey up. I currently have a third (small) order awaiting delivery (and am thinking of visiting for a potential fourth). As yet, for my part, I have had no problems with the prices or the service.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 12:45    Post subject: Reply with quote

illapulito wrote:
Clearly, some people have some negative stories and issues relating to vehicles purchased.

I have only ever bought used parts from him (as a breaker, twice) including once collecting direct - where he helped fix a power-steering seal problem that had occurred on the journey up. I currently have a third (small) order awaiting delivery (and am thinking of visiting for a potential fourth). As yet, for my part, I have had no problems with the prices or the service.


Have to agree I recently bought an aluminum sump guard from him very good price quick delivery and from the pictures I'll be posting looks good.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 07, 2014 13:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've had an engine that was spot on, delivered within 48 hours and a great price
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 17:33    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm guessing that you have made a recent purchase to him.  Unfortunately it seems that ~buyer beware~ applies to traders nearly as much as private sales.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2015 21:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sue, have you purchased from him? whilst he's got a bad reputation anyway its interesting that you joined and posted this on here on the same day? if you found this post that easy you should have came and had a look beforehand and saved yourself some bother.  Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 25, 2015 11:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not too difficult for anyone to find this post.  Wink

Just go onto Google and type in  ' Dean Rosenthal Simply Delicas '.

The result will bring up this post and the other one V8 rick posted.

There is also a link to a 2011 post from our sister club POCUK about him. Interestingly on that one he also registered as a club member, as 'big dig', to answer comments about him, but got back more than he expected, when details of his court cases came to light. See:- http://www.pocuk.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=127962
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