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jayne · Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 35 Location: LOT - France

Help, going round in circles down in France.
Its a very, very, very long story but to cut it short, we are on the last stage (hopefully) of registering our second Delica here in France.
Can anyone give us information concerning the weights of the vehicle.
Its a 1997 Space Gear- Super Exceed, Chassis n° PE8W, engine 4M40.
We have weighed the vehicle when empty.
Front axle = 1250kg / Rear axle = 950kg / Total weight = 2200kg.
I have contacted every Mitsubishi head office around the world. Japan have given me the following information.
Front axle = 1380kg (with passengers)/ Rear axle = 1115kg (with passengers) /Total weight = 2495kg.(with passengers).
This only gives a payload of 295kg (ie three people, no baggage, no trailer). Hence we have been told to take out all the seats. (like yeah).
I need the maximum payload and the distribution of this on the front and rear axles.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Spotted a Delica here (down in the LOT near Cahors) a few weeks ago, was it Paul & Jennie from our home town of Birmingham. blob1

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Bob Ellison · Posted: Wed Oct 10, 2007 13:56 Post subject:

Hi Jayne. :D

According to the owner's handbook:

Super Exceed 2.8ltr Diesel =

Weight unladen - 2060kg
Gross weight - 2445kg

I'm not sure of the individual axle weight. Someone else will know that.

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jayne · Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 35 Location: LOT - France

Thanks for your fast reply, but it just confirms my problem. Your figures only give a maximum weight of 385kg difference from unladen to gross.

johnny diamond · Joined: 09 Oct 2005 Posts: 650 Location: Doncaster

just tell them its far suprior to the renault espace :D
in fact the problem with the Delica is that it carries to much weight with the four wheel drive/axles Rolling Eyes

can you not remove the seats to comply and refit afterwards Question

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jayne · Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 35 Location: LOT - France

Agree about the Renault!
Have thought of taking the seats out just to keep this guy happy,(Mr Jobsworth) but worried this would effect the assurance.

johnny diamond · Joined: 09 Oct 2005 Posts: 650 Location: Doncaster

i suppose it comes down to what you actualy need/size of family etc,
my rearmost seats have been removed and stored in the spare bedroom as i usualy carry my fishing gear/toolbox/dog and so on,and prefer it this way :D
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RichardK · Joined: 05 Oct 2007 Posts: 103 Location: West Midlands

Bob Ellison · Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 11:35 Post subject:

350-400kg is quite a bit of stuff. If you need to carry really big weight then maybe you'll have to get the rear springs 'beefed' up and the rear axle re-certified.

Razz

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jayne · Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 35 Location: LOT - France

Have just been out to look at the constructors plaque for exact info, and see that on line 4 it reads "Trans axle V4A51 4636" could this "4636" be the maximum kg I'm looking for. Anyone any ideas? :?

jayne · Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 35 Location: LOT - France

My son has just registered his renault clio here. His weight of unladen vehicle is 935kg - maximum permissible laden 1535kg. a difference of 600kg. (distributed between 5 passengers, available seat space). Question

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Bob Ellison · Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 14:45 Post subject:

The problem is with the Delica being a private car and not a commercial vehicle. A two ton van should be able to carry more than just a third of a ton.
A basic 30cwt Transit can carry over a ton.
The LWB Delica is used as a delivery van in Japan so it must have some sort of carrying capacity.

BUT, if the Delica is actually a 2WD van converted into a 4WD MPV then most of the running gear and the 'comfort' will take up the weight allowance.

The rear axle weight on my 1990 Pajero is 1600kg. I've had 20 x 25kg stock feed sacks (and more) in the back a few times. It carried a JCB engine back from York once.
The Paj doesn't have all the refinery like a Delica though.

It's a bit of a puzzler. dontknow

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Bob Ellison · Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 15:22 Post subject:

I've just found the axle weights for my 1994 L400 (I knew I'd read it somewhere Embarassed

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On my export certificate it says:
Front axle - 1250kg
Rear axle - 830kg

Weight - 2080kg
Gross weight - 2465kg

I don't think that's what you wanted to read Jayne. Sad

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Lewis · Posted: Thu Oct 11, 2007 18:04 Post subject:

jayne · Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 35 Location: LOT - France

Hi Lewis,

ID Plate reads:

Model n° KD-PE8W-HSEXF2
chassis: PE8W - xxxxxxxx
engine:4M40 EXT-GH6K
Trans axle:V4A51 4636
colour Int: G89A37

does that help, I hope so. We know the vehicle can take the strain. Our other Deli (1989 Star Wagon) is used by my husband for work and he has no problems in loading it up. It goes on and on and on. When we got this passed here, the guy (same one) didn't ask for the weights. thanks for everyones help. hope we can get to the bottom of it.

Lewis · Posted: Fri Oct 12, 2007 13:18 Post subject:

According to the production specs it is a full 4WD vehicle and not a 2WD, they changed the transmission specs in 1996.

Model n° KD-PE8W-HSEXF2 = 4WD Super Exceed 2800TD Crystal Light Roof (produced after June 1996)
chassis: PE8W - xxxxxxxx
engine:4M40 EXT-GH6K = Engine Model 4M40 Vehicle exterior code GH6K = Curb Weight 2060Kg
Trans axle:V4A51 4636 = V4A51 (See Below) Rear axle final reduction = 4.636:1
colour Int: G89A37 = G89 - ASTORIA GREEN / A37 - LEGATO GRAY

Vehicle Weight = 2060Kg
Vehicle Weight Gross = 2445Kg

Its interesting to note that had it been a Long wheel base the curb weight would have been 2150 Kg and the Gross weight 2310Kg, which iindicates a Long Wheel Base is designed to carry less weight, though has more luggage space! I've had a quick word with a mate, who wears a blue uniform, who says that if the back end is not dragging and does not appear to be overloaded then there would be no reason to assume a vehicle was overloaded. So if you upgrade your rear springs to take account of the weight it should be okay. But I would prefer if Joned or Chiefie commented on that aspect as they are more in the know about DVLA/VOSA rules.

This transmission is the electronically controlled one fitted to the Montero 3.0L and 3.5Litre Sport. It appears to have been fitted to Deli's after June 96. Probably to use up excess Montero ones prior to the introduction of the new 1997 spec Delica.

I have managed to locate some tech and electrical connection info here, with pictures, on it which is in 2 parts, you could print it off for future use, the links are here:-

Mitsubishi Montero Sport R4A51 V4A51 Part 1
Mitsubishi Montero Sport R4A51 V4A51 Part 2

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Lewis · Posted: Sun Oct 14, 2007 13:51 Post subject:

You have to bear in mind the sort of weight the interior already carries in relation to seats and extra's.

The rear seats weight around 18Kg each and the middle row considerable more than twice that. Then there's the two air conditioning units, spare wheel, 75Litres fuel tank, et etc, Taking a look at the amount of stuff Bruce stripped out of the L300 Mud Monkey gives you and idea of where the weight allowance has already been taken up for it:-

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strangerover · Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:17 Post subject:

Just wondering.....

is the Net and gross weight the dry and kerb weight ?

i.e. weight with no fluids and then weight with all fluids, e.g. Fuel, oils, water, windscreen wash etc ???
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Bob Ellison · Posted: Wed Oct 17, 2007 11:09 Post subject:

That's what I thought Mark but apparently not.
The rear axle tare is only 830kg. All the fancy gubbins takes quite a bit of that up.

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jayne · Joined: 09 Oct 2007 Posts: 35 Location: LOT - France

Hi everyone,
Seems I have definitely got a debate going on here, even here in France.
I went into Mitsubishi, Cahors (our region) explained our confusion, with understanding the weights (is it a van, is it a Monospace seven seats, no it seems to confuse everyone as to why it should be any different to the say ...Renault Espace...)
The nice guy in Mitsubishi went through the weights with me and said to calculate the said three person weight of 2495kg (allowance of approx 385kg ie; 128kg per person, by another four persons and give Mr jobsworth this total, plus the approx towing weight) forgot all the figures, have them written down somewhere.

So next job is to see what happens when I give Mr jobsworth this info!
The guys at Mitsubishi thought it was crazy, but they really liked the motor. flower