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owlmike · Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 89 Location: Northern Ireland

as it says on the tin:
Any one know these to help me try fix my smoking problem:
See Blue smoke black smoke HELP thread.
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andyj · Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 2412 Location: up norf

this is off the pajero 4m40 manual..same engine so should be okay :D

owlmike · Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 89 Location: Northern Ireland

Thanks Andyj,
I have downloaded a workshop manual from a link on this forum site, but i am a bit of a loss as there is different settings. The PDF file says:
Engine 4G6 or engine 4D5 for a 1995 model, mines 1994, I am confused, would you have the complete worshop manual i could download if its the same.
Hope this makes sence.
Mike
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musculeman · Joined: 19 Jun 2005 Posts: 230 Location: YEOVIL SOMERSET

Hi Mike try here http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.~.ru%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Fshowtopic%3D917&langpair=ru%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools and go down the page to the 4M40 engine and down load to your hearts content. hth.

PETE
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owlmike · Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 89 Location: Northern Ireland

thanks for that, so thats the same engine?
were do i find the valve settings on that one?
thanks,
Mike
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owlmike · Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 89 Location: Northern Ireland

do i need a special tool for this or what can be used instead???
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musculeman · Joined: 19 Jun 2005 Posts: 230 Location: YEOVIL SOMERSET

Hi Mike goto the page on my previous post click on 4M40 it will download on to your desk top click on camshaft and vavles then scoll down to page 11A-14-9 that should be the info your after. hth.

PETE
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andyj · Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 2412 Location: up norf

the 4m40 is the engine in the 94 Deli...same as mine

chiefie · Posted: Thu Sep 27, 2007 19:43 Post subject:

hiya andyj,
the page you have posted is for the 4m41 engine, twin cam 3.2 DID. note on the left where it says 4m4 - 2001 model year Embarassed

the 4m40 engine is single cam 2.8 td (as you probably already know)

just so ya know Wink

rik
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andyj · Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 2412 Location: up norf

blow!!! i just saw 4m4 and thought it would be fine (as it was a paj)

andyj · Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 2412 Location: up norf

just got down the manual that pete posted a link to... says 4m4 on this one as well! but this is the proper single cam version

my god no wonder mitsubishi are in the sh1te at moment :D

owlmike · Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 89 Location: Northern Ireland

i,m confused, so which one should i be looking at please?
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andyj · Joined: 08 Sep 2006 Posts: 2412 Location: up norf

listen to chiefie :D were after the single cam 4m40!

the version pete had seems to be the right one

jeez talk about confusing Smile

owlmike · Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 89 Location: Northern Ireland

so was the pdf file u posted above the wrong one if so were do i get the right one?? sorry reall confused now.
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owlmike · Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 89 Location: Northern Ireland

thanks andy, this is doing my head in.
Problem again:
Smoking bad in idle and reversing.
Engine starts first time no problems.
Over 1000rpm runs fine, no smoke, no loss of power.
I have been told could be:
Wrong valve timing or sticky valve.
Worn piston rings.
injector pump, needs overhaul (Can't get anyone to take it off engine) (to big a job for my wee mind)
injector pump, advance timing (Can't reach 2 of the 3 bolts without stripping entire pump)

where the heck do i go from here.
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owlmike · Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 89 Location: Northern Ireland

oops, i forgot.
And or valve stem oil seals. Rolling Eyes

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chiefie · Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 19:10 Post subject:

okay, i haven't read your other thread (blue smoke black smoke...) but it looks like you need to take a step back and start again. starting with the basics (sorry if you or your machanic has already done all this) its pretty unusual for tappet setting to be out on this engine (they are shimmed rather than the adjustable type)
1) check your air filter for being dirty (main cause of black smoke)
2) get your pump timing checked before that check your bottom pulley is in good condition as if the rubber has split the TDC mark will not be in the correct position, you need to check by looking through the oil filler cap, there should be a square nobble behind the 1st cam lobe that points upwards.
3) check your egr isn't sticking open, you will need to blank it off to see if that has any effect rather than just removing the vac pipe.
4) have your injectors tested, a poor spray pattern can cause all sorts of problems

a few things to remember about smoke and deisels:
are black/dark grey smoke normally points to over fuelling/lack of air (poor fuel air mix)
white smoke normally points to unburnt fuel (usually on cold starts but not always) e.g. a glow plug down or a leaking injector
blue smoke is normally burning oil, not always noticeable on diesels

but also remember that white steam could be mistaken for smoke, if there is a coolant problem and it is leaking into the cylinder it will come out the exhaust as steam and will have a slightly sweet smell that you can almost taste.

all in all if you have black and blue smoke, there is likely to be 2 problems so best tackle 1 at a time Wink

hth and hope it doesn't sound patronising Embarassed

rik
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strangerover · Posted: Fri Sep 28, 2007 19:22 Post subject:

A Compression test would tell you if valves worked and if the rings worked (well at least the compression rings)
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owlmike · Joined: 14 Jun 2005 Posts: 89 Location: Northern Ireland

Thanks guys any help at all is grateful.
I had my car to a friend who is an absolute genious with mechanics but due to ill health cannot preform any work.
He said that the smoke i am getting in idle is unburnt fuel and the car is definetly off a cylinder in idle. He is 90% convinced my problem is valve, piston ring, or even a small hole on piston related.
He gave me a an easy test to try to narrow down the cylinder and or valve causing the problem, where as, start engine and loosen the injecter feed pipes one at a time, thus a change in running would identify the cylinder or vavle causing the problem.

jobs done so far.
New injectors fitted.
EGR blanking plate fitted.
new filters and oil
all hoses and intercooler checked and cleaned.
I will try the above post instructions today.
Ta guys,
Mike
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skyman · Joined: 25 Feb 2007 Posts: 250 Location: Ely Cambs.

Point to Note!

The fuel pressure in injector pipes is very high and would inject diesel in side your hands with ease so be very careful anywhere fuel lines while it’s running.

Never look for diesel fuel leeks with you hands.

May be telling grandmother how to suck eggs, but I feel better warned twice than not at all.
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