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ron spice
Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Posts: 37 Location: garden of england
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 20:06 Post subject: joints |
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just changed near side wishbone on mine and guess what, no grease nipple on the ball joint. I seem to remember seeing a post on here around August last year when i joined the club concerning ball joints from milners, having grease nipples on and not fitting into the wishbone, milners where contacted and there reply was, we have sold over 400 units with no problems, so up until August last year for the year they sold 400 units and from the start of this year to February they've sold another 400 units already? or they've sold none between August last year and February this year, well one to Lewis that is! |
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Lewis Site Admin
Joined: 25 May 2006 Posts: 16298 Location: Huddersfield
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Posted: Fri Feb 15, 2008 23:27 Post subject: Re: joints |
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ron spice wrote: |
.....I seem to remember seeing a post on here around August last year when i joined the club concerning ball joints from milners, having grease nipples on and not fitting into the wishbone, milners where contacted and there reply was, we have sold over 400 units with no problems.... |
Yes there was; this is it! Didn't you notice this is a two page post? _________________
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ron spice
Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Posts: 37 Location: garden of england
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 14:54 Post subject: DOH! |
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okay i surrender must admit i didn't spot it, just took it to be a fresh post, just looks to me that milners are flogging universal ball joints, one joint fits all, send them a bill for all the unnecessary work you've had to do to make it fit, but hey thats the trouble with aftermarket parts, some good some bad and others just indifferent |
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Lewis Site Admin
Joined: 25 May 2006 Posts: 16298 Location: Huddersfield
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 15:02 Post subject: |
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mythatsabigun wrote: |
Well, that's really made my day Lewis having just spent the last day and a half under the beast replacing 'em all, drilling holes in my wishbones thinking "well, at least I won't have to do this again....." |
Oops! Sorry mate, didn't want to upset you - and I still don't, so you had better stop reading any further and do refrain from looking at the second picture below.
Well I've just climbed from under mine after cleaning the leaking grease from the rubber so I could see it properly and get some photo's (as usual) to look at rather than scrabble around in the muck.
First a comparison picture. This is the nearside one that is the original fitting and been there since manufacture in 1994:-
This is the brand new one from Milners purchased on 4th September 2007 and fitted on the 27th, as noted at the start of this topic, with only 5,000Km of distance covered and only 22 weeks of use:-
It doesn't really take the intellect of a rocket scientist to say that the rubber has perished and unfit for its intended purpose!
I think I will be asking for a refund as opposed to a replacement and purchase Mitsu originals. :? _________________
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strangerover Lifetime member
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 17:28 Post subject: |
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that is poor,
good old milners strike again _________________ Regards
Mark |
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mythatsabigun
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Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2008 19:37 Post subject: |
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'...don't look ethel...!!'
'eeek'
'too late, she looked!!'
Hells bells, anyone else used these ?? - please (obviously) keep us posted on progress with Milners
Cheers,
Dave. _________________ Deli finally sold - don't ask :-(.......Me signing off, thanks for being such a brilliant forum, keep 'em going - May be back if I can start earning decent dollar again - take care y'all ;-) |
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big_mike Lifetime member
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 10:26 Post subject: |
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Lewis wrote: |
It doesn't really take the intellect of a rocket scientist to say that the rubber has perished and unfit for its intended purpose! |
Hi Lewis,
I wouldn't say that rubber has perished, it looks more like the rubber was not chemically compatible with something (presumably the grease?) and as a result broke down (I appreciate the end result is the same) Have seen similar failures in components sent off for testing at work (not car bits though)
I know it doesn't help much, sorry.
Mike _________________ Deli's dead...Currently breaking. |
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Lewis Site Admin
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 11:22 Post subject: |
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I understand what you mean; but if it was the grease then I would have expected it to corroded from the inside out.
It appears here to be breaking down on the external surface with the splits going from the outside inwards. :?
The same grease was used for years on my campervan rubber components and had no degradable effect on those!
I assume the same component has been used on the YD POCUK members motors so it would be interesting to know if any of them have had the same problem. _________________
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big_mike Lifetime member
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Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 13:10 Post subject: |
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Did you replace a number of them at the same time? are they all the same? If they have largely gone on the outside then you are certainly right it isn't the grease.
IIRC WD40 (and other light oils, amongst other things) attacks certain types of rubbers quiet aggresively. or maybe they have been made with the wrong grade of rubber and that has broken down prematurely (we have found that some stuff we have made in China that if they run out of one raw material they will often substitute another even if it isn't what was specified originally, not good! )
All rather academic really and not very helpful, just looked very similar to some of the rubber seal failures we have had with certain types of sterilization on some of our products so thought it might be worth mentioning.
Cheers,
Mike _________________ Deli's dead...Currently breaking. |
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Lewis Site Admin
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Posted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 14:29 Post subject: |
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Well I sent an E-mail to Milners on Saturday, at 14:20, and have not yet had a reply.
Perhaps it got lost in the ethernet? I'm sending another one now! :? _________________
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Lewis Site Admin
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 0:47 Post subject: |
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pitbull2001 wrote: |
just took a look at mine today no grease nipple, and they looked rather dry for my liking so may have to sort this out soon...Anyone know how readily available are the official mitsi lower and upper ball joints or are they just likely to send me the same as a pajero or shogi.....? |
N/S - MR162697 - £68.39 + VAT
O/S - MR162698 - £68.39 + VAT
Mitsubishi Main Dealers order them from Mitsu Parts HQ, so usually take a day or two to get to the dealers if ordered before 2:30pm.
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The side fitting nut faces the rear, but you can't fit it wrong anyway as there is a locating hole through the side of the balljoint cover for it to go through, after you have bolted it to the wishbone. _________________
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Lewis Site Admin
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 0:49 Post subject: |
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Lewis wrote: |
Well I sent an E-mail to Milners on Saturday, at 14:20, and have not yet had a reply.
Perhaps it got lost in the ethernet? I'm sending another one now! :? |
Got an e-mail back advising they have had problems with their e-mail system and will look into the problem and get back to me in the morning! _________________
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Lewis Site Admin
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 18:38 Post subject: |
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Well nobody called me back! But I just received an E-mail from Mathew saying they have sent me a replacement, which I should get on Thursday and don't need to send the faulty one back.
Which sort of ends the refund for an OEM one idea! _________________
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simmossotto
Joined: 05 Jun 2006 Posts: 225 Location: Stretford, Manchester, UK
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Posted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 21:17 Post subject: |
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Deary deary me.....Do they (Milners) honestly think you'd want to replace the prematurely worn one with exactly the same one again. They really should have refunded your dough. Incidently, mine (ball joints) don't have the grease nipple either, and my bushes are worn also (suprise suprise). Think I'll be leaving it to Mitsi to do at MOT time which is in a few weeks time. _________________ Happiness is a Delica with all possible mods and free insurance........well one can dream can't they? |
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ron spice
Joined: 20 Sep 2007 Posts: 37 Location: garden of england
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Posted: Wed Feb 20, 2008 20:13 Post subject: ball joint |
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the picture of your failed ball joint looks like the rubber used has gone brittle and cracked due to the cold, so it may be a case of low quality rubber used. |
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Lewis Site Admin
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Posted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 15:50 Post subject: |
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mythatsabigun wrote: |
Hells bells, anyone else used these ?? - please (obviously) keep us posted on progress with Milners |
Update as requested! :?
The replacement lower ball joint arrived, as promised by Mathew at Milners, about half an hour ago, free of any charges as I have come to expect from Milners aftersales service.
As you can appreciate I wanted to ensure this item was okay to fit in place af the faulty item previously supplied. Having opened the box and enclosed sealed plastic bag I checked the condition of the rubber boot.
As you can see from the photo's below the item has a hole in it plus splits and pitting in other areas of the boot surface. The section under the retaining ring appears to be worn even before use. I suspect that the composition of the rubber is substandard and not it for purpose. Obviously this item is not acceptable for use. I have just e-mailed the same message and pictures to Milners plus that I am reluctant to accept a further replacement as it will no doubt be of the same batch and quality.
I hope they will now refund the cost of the item and I will have to order the Mitsubishi ones. Although four times the cost the previous ones have lasted approximately 56 times as long!
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Lewis Site Admin
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Posted: Tue Feb 26, 2008 18:54 Post subject: |
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Just to round off the result of the faulty LBJ's from Milners.
Mathew has concluded that they seem to have a faulty batch and agreed to refund the cost of them, plus the cost of sending both items back to him. He also offered to get me a pair of Mitsubishi OEM ones, at the price shown above with a 5% discount and free delivery for goodwill.
I have had some OEM ones supplied, though not by Milners, and those are now sitting waiting for some decent weather to kick in so I can get them done, currently there seems to be a 50mph wind rattling my roof and the temp has gone down to 8°Celcius! :? _________________
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mythatsabigun
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 11:16 Post subject: |
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So....I've got all this to look forward to??!!
Any chance of mentioning to Matthew in your communications that there will be a queue of club members who have at least swapped their LBJ's between when you bought your originals and the present ones, waiting for a similar deal.....and also that we are extremely pee'd off that we are going to have to spend at least double the amount of our precious time replacing them.....and that we've had to drill bloody holes in our wishbones to accommodate substandard kit!!!! ooops, going off on a bit of a one there!!!
Good work there Lewis - you are my hero....just wish you'd posted the info the day before you did - As ever in my life, perfect timing
Cheers,
Dave. _________________ Deli finally sold - don't ask :-(.......Me signing off, thanks for being such a brilliant forum, keep 'em going - May be back if I can start earning decent dollar again - take care y'all ;-) |
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strangerover Lifetime member
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Posted: Thu Feb 28, 2008 16:57 Post subject: |
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Very interesting...
I can see why the Mitsi part would last longer as the rubber is far better design / shape...
whats the screw in the side of the mitsi one for ? _________________ Regards
Mark |
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