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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:46    Post subject: Power Steering pipes... Reply with quote

I've just ordered a set of pipes for my van from Mitsubishi ( CCR in Gloucester )
 There's four bits;
High pressure pipe
Return pipe
Two bits of the 'cooler' i.e. the bits that bend forward.
 Warning you may need use of the 'pricing stool'

 Total with VAT was £630   Shocked

I also got a seal kit for the pump itself  £33.24 +VAT  MB351156

  I'll update with pictures and part numbers once they arrive (two weeks hopefully...)

Does anyone have any recommendations for tackling the unions on the steering rack? They may be fine, but look dodgy as hell.
 I'm currently planning to crimp the pipes close to the union, cut above the crimp and use a deep hex socket...
 I may just give them a tweek with a spanner first, but I'm deathly afraid of sheared, chem-welded fittings!!!

Thanks
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 19:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wish you had posted before you ordered.

I reckon you could get the pipes professionally made by thread and pipe, or an alternative specialist.

That price is awful.  Crying or Very sad

I won't attempt to accurately estimate, but I reckon it would have been under £200. Possibly less.

At least you have new genuine parts.!

For undoing, your method seems okay, or a crows foot?

Good luck. 👍
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 19:44    Post subject: Reply with quote

OUCH!! I'm going to have to face this task sometime soon, possibly before next MoT (December). Was thinking to remove all pipes and give them to a pipe fabrication specialist as patterns. Definitely prefer the £200 end of the cost scale!
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 19:48    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.threadandpipe.com/

There are others out there. 👍
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 20:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks GG.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 22:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whilst I appreciate that there could have been cheaper options, there's always the 'buggeration' factor involved.
  I'm no expert, but this topic has been gone over on this forum quite a few times, so I now think I am !   Embarassed    Very Happy
  There seems to be some issues with hose fittings being proprietry, and also you'd never get the mounting tags welded on properly and in the right place.
 All things that probably can be sorted out with time, but I suspect the end cost would be closer to £400 and a bit of faffing around for what would essentially be a good bodge.

Seriously, I need the van running and consider the cost an unfortunate part of ownership. I've spent £800 on a new head, £500 on having the fuel pump rebuilt, £400 on tyres and £250 having the turbo rebuilt just in the last 18 months, never mind all the cursed earth and spilled blood...
 But I still remember driving her to Avimore not long after purchase, 500+ miles with only a stop for fuel, and I got out the other end feeling like dancing! All the freshers in the minibus were moaning for days...
  14 years later, a few quid here and there (sigh) is worth it not least for the ease of fitment (fingers and toes crossed).

 Breakdown is:
  MB636834    HOSE,PRESS       £295
  MB501471    HOSE ASSY,RETURN   £115
 Two 'cooler' pipes  £65 / £55  not sure on numbers yet, I'll update when I know.
 + VAT.

 Two week wait for most, but one of the cooler pipes was in stock...
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 22:32    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS, always appreciate honest opinion here, you never know who is giving you good advice.   Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 17:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

Same year, same spec as mine, and like you, I can drive all day in it, on all roads and conditions, and arrive happy and fresh. So yes, after 14 years, it deserves a proper job!
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 18:57    Post subject: Reply with quote

ClockworkOwl wrote:
PS, always appreciate honest opinion here, you never know who is giving you good advice.   Smile


I understand. You never know who is on the end of the info.

I've been out the back at thread and pipe, and watched them put bits together.

A good old school workshop who do this stuff everyday, so bear it in mind for the future.

Got me out of trouble a few times, and also post.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 14:50    Post subject: Re: Power Steering pipes... Reply with quote

ClockworkOwl wrote:
I've just ordered a set of pipes for my van from Mitsubishi ( CCR in Gloucester )
 There's four bits;
High pressure pipe
Return pipe
Twobits of the 'cooler' I.e. the bits that bend forward.
 Warning you may need use of the 'pricing stool'

 Total with VAT was £630   Shocked

I also got a seal kit for the pump itself  £33.24 +VAT  MB351156

  I'll update with pictures and part numbers once they arrive (two weeks hopefully...)

Does anyone have any recommendations for tackling the unions on the steering rack? They may be fine, but look dodgy as hell.
 I'm currently planning to crimp the pipes close to the union, cut above the crimp and use a deep hex socket...
 I may just give them a tweek with a spanner first, but I'm deathly afraid of sheared, chem-welded fittings!!!

Thanks
Pete


ouch, indeed!

Sorry to hear that, but sounds like you will be getting as good as new for it, even if that price is a harsh pill to swallow!

Would be keen to know how you get on with installing all this, as I'm planning on doing basically all of this myself over the winter, and had been collecting the various part numbers etc. Particularly re. loosening the unions on the steering rack - like you, they've concerned me in the past, and like you I have considered cutting and getting a hex socket on them, rather than round them with a spanner!

I may or may not go down the same route as you, but unsure whether I'd be able to find somewhere that can make suitable replacement for the "cooler" hard line loops.

Andy, if you are seriously thinking of doing this too, perhaps we could organise bits together (particularly if getting custom replacement parts made!) and organise some joined spannering session, at some point? I have a massive backlog of work I need to do to Selma over the weekend, not least a rather nasty bit of tinworm treatment... Sad
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 16:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Good post and useful part numbers and prices. Mine also need doing at some point (currently bodged with compression fittings) so a make your own vs OEM also to be decided.

Absolutely ages ago (10 years? maybe 14..) I replaced the steering rack for a second hand one. If I recall correctly, lots of WD40 on the rack unions over a couple of days (I had the same concerns) then the unions cracked off fine on both racks.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 22:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

A set of these might come in handy.  metric flare nut spanner set
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:38    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if it would be possible/sensible to replace the hardline cooling "loops" with lengths of flexible braided stainless steel jobbies (rated to the right sort of pressure of course)... Not sure if it would have the same cooling effect, but I can imagine you could get the whole system (from pump to rack and back) custom made...
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mmmmmm,  shining chrome spanners!!!
 Seriously, they look exactly the job (oddly enough Smile)
 
I'm in the middle of moving atm. so I've got CCR to keep bits untill it's all in.
 I'll collect it all and get cracking, seeing as there's a few with similar concerns, I'll take a few piccies as well.

 That's good advice about pre soaking, I'm just going to go down now and get started on that!

 The dreaded tinworm is a bane indeed, I've developed a fetish (!) for Jenolite rust converter in a pump spray.
You can either spray a wide fine spray over a flat area, or a water pistol like douse, that works well with a brush, especially upside down...
The bits I just painted with rust buster paint are showing signs of bleed through, but the converted bits underneath are still really good after three years.
 I still need to finish that and cover with underseal...  Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:13    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any progress on the power steering repairs? Keen to know how you got on.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 17:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, been busy with moving still...
I've not heard from CCR yet, but I'm going to drop in tomorrow and collect what's arrived.
I suspect that the delivery estimates were without the current logistics buggeration factor :@(
I'll definately update with pics and so on when I do anything, I've been marinading the unions and brackets with pen-spray every day for the last two weeks...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 11:14    Post subject: Zombie resurrection! Reply with quote

Wow, has it really been over a year?
 Well I got the lady running and managed to get moved okay. Though it's taken a while to recover :)
 I had to remove the steering rack to get one of the recalcitrant unions out. It needed a hex socket with a long cracking bar, and when it went, I thought the union had sheared!!!
 Fortunately it was okay.
 One of the pipes didn't arrive till November, but I found I had an okay spare still attached to my spare rack.
  Fitting was okay. The only sheared mounting bolt was the one underneath the chassis with the support bracket for both pipes. I had prepared with an M8 spiralflute tap and appropriate drill bit, and a few M8 stainless bolts :)
    I'd add some pictures, but don't have a host at the moment.
If anyone is thinking of doing this and wants advice, just let me know here or elsewhere :)

PS, PS fluid seems to lurk in pipes, this was unnessarily messy...
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 12:59    Post subject: Reply with quote

Glad you got it sorted. My temporary repair with plumber's compression fittings from 4-5 years ago is still holding up, but the seal at one end of the rack is now leaking into the boot (replaced when it split and left blood  on the garage floor! I'm compiling a list of jobs that I really don't fancy doing, but am prepared to buy the parts for and hand to my favoured mechanic (who may not feel so favoured once he starts to tackle them!) Delica is now "Der Leaker", as I have just replaced the passenger side inner rear hub seal, having had to do the same on the driver's side for its last MoT 6 weeks ago! I now have a serious electrical leak, and have just been googling how to test the alternator diodes with a multimeter, which seems like the likely culprit. I'm due to attend a GLASS meeting in it 60 miles away tomorrow, and going green laning in Yorkshire on Wednesday! Fully charged spare battery and H/D jump leads will be packed!
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 13:15    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I can't hide it anymore, the van is officially now a hobby, not just a project!   Rolling Eyes  Embarassed  Laughing  Laughing  Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon Oct 10, 2022 14:43    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for the update and glad you sorted it

I was under mine at the weekend doing some pre-MOT teeth sucking. One of my steering pipes has had an advisory for slight corrosion on and off for a few years now! And, like Andy, the capillary pipe and compression gas fittings are still holding up :-)

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