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ClockworkOwl
Joined: 08 Oct 2019 Posts: 55 Location: Gloucester
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 10:46 Post subject: Power Steering pipes... |
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I've just ordered a set of pipes for my van from Mitsubishi ( CCR in Gloucester )
There's four bits;
High pressure pipe
Return pipe
Two bits of the 'cooler' i.e. the bits that bend forward.
Warning you may need use of the 'pricing stool'
Total with VAT was £630
I also got a seal kit for the pump itself £33.24 +VAT MB351156
I'll update with pictures and part numbers once they arrive (two weeks hopefully...)
Does anyone have any recommendations for tackling the unions on the steering rack? They may be fine, but look dodgy as hell.
I'm currently planning to crimp the pipes close to the union, cut above the crimp and use a deep hex socket...
I may just give them a tweek with a spanner first, but I'm deathly afraid of sheared, chem-welded fittings!!!
Thanks
Pete _________________ 91 L300 Super Exceed (well it did once...) |
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Green Grouch Lifetime member
Joined: 14 Feb 2012 Posts: 1264 Location: Dorset
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 19:32 Post subject: |
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I wish you had posted before you ordered.
I reckon you could get the pipes professionally made by thread and pipe, or an alternative specialist.
That price is awful.
I won't attempt to accurately estimate, but I reckon it would have been under £200. Possibly less.
At least you have new genuine parts.!
For undoing, your method seems okay, or a crows foot?
Good luck. 👍 _________________ A Little Knowledge is Dangerous and expensive! especially if your me Mending anything!! |
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andyman
Joined: 08 Dec 2012 Posts: 5602 Location: Penrith
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 19:44 Post subject: |
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OUCH!! I'm going to have to face this task sometime soon, possibly before next MoT (December). Was thinking to remove all pipes and give them to a pipe fabrication specialist as patterns. Definitely prefer the £200 end of the cost scale! _________________ Andy C L300 Super Exceed - over 100 smiles per gallon! |
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Green Grouch Lifetime member
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 19:48 Post subject: |
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http://www.threadandpipe.com/
There are others out there. 👍 _________________ A Little Knowledge is Dangerous and expensive! especially if your me Mending anything!! |
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andyman
Joined: 08 Dec 2012 Posts: 5602 Location: Penrith
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 20:03 Post subject: |
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Thanks GG. _________________ Andy C L300 Super Exceed - over 100 smiles per gallon! |
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ClockworkOwl
Joined: 08 Oct 2019 Posts: 55 Location: Gloucester
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 22:30 Post subject: |
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Whilst I appreciate that there could have been cheaper options, there's always the 'buggeration' factor involved.
I'm no expert, but this topic has been gone over on this forum quite a few times, so I now think I am !
There seems to be some issues with hose fittings being proprietry, and also you'd never get the mounting tags welded on properly and in the right place.
All things that probably can be sorted out with time, but I suspect the end cost would be closer to £400 and a bit of faffing around for what would essentially be a good bodge.
Seriously, I need the van running and consider the cost an unfortunate part of ownership. I've spent £800 on a new head, £500 on having the fuel pump rebuilt, £400 on tyres and £250 having the turbo rebuilt just in the last 18 months, never mind all the cursed earth and spilled blood...
But I still remember driving her to Avimore not long after purchase, 500+ miles with only a stop for fuel, and I got out the other end feeling like dancing! All the freshers in the minibus were moaning for days...
14 years later, a few quid here and there (sigh) is worth it not least for the ease of fitment (fingers and toes crossed).
Breakdown is:
MB636834 HOSE,PRESS £295
MB501471 HOSE ASSY,RETURN £115
Two 'cooler' pipes £65 / £55 not sure on numbers yet, I'll update when I know.
+ VAT.
Two week wait for most, but one of the cooler pipes was in stock... _________________ 91 L300 Super Exceed (well it did once...) |
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ClockworkOwl
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Posted: Wed Aug 04, 2021 22:32 Post subject: |
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PS, always appreciate honest opinion here, you never know who is giving you good advice. _________________ 91 L300 Super Exceed (well it did once...) |
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andyman
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 17:38 Post subject: |
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Same year, same spec as mine, and like you, I can drive all day in it, on all roads and conditions, and arrive happy and fresh. So yes, after 14 years, it deserves a proper job! _________________ Andy C L300 Super Exceed - over 100 smiles per gallon! |
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Green Grouch Lifetime member
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Posted: Thu Aug 05, 2021 18:57 Post subject: |
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ClockworkOwl wrote: |
PS, always appreciate honest opinion here, you never know who is giving you good advice. |
I understand. You never know who is on the end of the info.
I've been out the back at thread and pipe, and watched them put bits together.
A good old school workshop who do this stuff everyday, so bear it in mind for the future.
Got me out of trouble a few times, and also post. _________________ A Little Knowledge is Dangerous and expensive! especially if your me Mending anything!! |
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jejoenje
Joined: 20 Aug 2016 Posts: 785 Location: Alloa, Scotland
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Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2021 14:50 Post subject: Re: Power Steering pipes... |
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ClockworkOwl wrote: |
I've just ordered a set of pipes for my van from Mitsubishi ( CCR in Gloucester )
There's four bits;
High pressure pipe
Return pipe
Twobits of the 'cooler' I.e. the bits that bend forward.
Warning you may need use of the 'pricing stool'
Total with VAT was £630
I also got a seal kit for the pump itself £33.24 +VAT MB351156
I'll update with pictures and part numbers once they arrive (two weeks hopefully...)
Does anyone have any recommendations for tackling the unions on the steering rack? They may be fine, but look dodgy as hell.
I'm currently planning to crimp the pipes close to the union, cut above the crimp and use a deep hex socket...
I may just give them a tweek with a spanner first, but I'm deathly afraid of sheared, chem-welded fittings!!!
Thanks
Pete |
ouch, indeed!
Sorry to hear that, but sounds like you will be getting as good as new for it, even if that price is a harsh pill to swallow!
Would be keen to know how you get on with installing all this, as I'm planning on doing basically all of this myself over the winter, and had been collecting the various part numbers etc. Particularly re. loosening the unions on the steering rack - like you, they've concerned me in the past, and like you I have considered cutting and getting a hex socket on them, rather than round them with a spanner!
I may or may not go down the same route as you, but unsure whether I'd be able to find somewhere that can make suitable replacement for the "cooler" hard line loops.
Andy, if you are seriously thinking of doing this too, perhaps we could organise bits together (particularly if getting custom replacement parts made!) and organise some joined spannering session, at some point? I have a massive backlog of work I need to do to Selma over the weekend, not least a rather nasty bit of tinworm treatment... _________________ 1992 L300 Exceed "Selma" |
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andyman
Joined: 08 Dec 2012 Posts: 5602 Location: Penrith
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Posted: Thu Aug 12, 2021 22:19 Post subject: |
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A set of these might come in handy. metric flare nut spanner set _________________ Andy C L300 Super Exceed - over 100 smiles per gallon! |
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jejoenje
Joined: 20 Aug 2016 Posts: 785 Location: Alloa, Scotland
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:38 Post subject: |
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I wonder if it would be possible/sensible to replace the hardline cooling "loops" with lengths of flexible braided stainless steel jobbies (rated to the right sort of pressure of course)... Not sure if it would have the same cooling effect, but I can imagine you could get the whole system (from pump to rack and back) custom made... _________________ 1992 L300 Exceed "Selma" |
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ClockworkOwl
Joined: 08 Oct 2019 Posts: 55 Location: Gloucester
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Posted: Fri Aug 13, 2021 11:49 Post subject: |
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Mmmmmm, shining chrome spanners!!!
Seriously, they look exactly the job (oddly enough )
I'm in the middle of moving atm. so I've got CCR to keep bits untill it's all in.
I'll collect it all and get cracking, seeing as there's a few with similar concerns, I'll take a few piccies as well.
That's good advice about pre soaking, I'm just going to go down now and get started on that!
The dreaded tinworm is a bane indeed, I've developed a fetish (!) for Jenolite rust converter in a pump spray.
You can either spray a wide fine spray over a flat area, or a water pistol like douse, that works well with a brush, especially upside down...
The bits I just painted with rust buster paint are showing signs of bleed through, but the converted bits underneath are still really good after three years.
I still need to finish that and cover with underseal... _________________ 91 L300 Super Exceed (well it did once...) |
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jejoenje
Joined: 20 Aug 2016 Posts: 785 Location: Alloa, Scotland
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2021 12:13 Post subject: |
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Any progress on the power steering repairs? Keen to know how you got on. _________________ 1992 L300 Exceed "Selma" |
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ClockworkOwl
Joined: 08 Oct 2019 Posts: 55 Location: Gloucester
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Posted: Tue Aug 31, 2021 17:37 Post subject: |
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Sorry, been busy with moving still...
I've not heard from CCR yet, but I'm going to drop in tomorrow and collect what's arrived.
I suspect that the delivery estimates were without the current logistics buggeration factor :@(
I'll definately update with pics and so on when I do anything, I've been marinading the unions and brackets with pen-spray every day for the last two weeks... _________________ 91 L300 Super Exceed (well it did once...) |
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ClockworkOwl
Joined: 08 Oct 2019 Posts: 55 Location: Gloucester
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 11:14 Post subject: Zombie resurrection! |
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Wow, has it really been over a year?
Well I got the lady running and managed to get moved okay. Though it's taken a while to recover :)
I had to remove the steering rack to get one of the recalcitrant unions out. It needed a hex socket with a long cracking bar, and when it went, I thought the union had sheared!!!
Fortunately it was okay.
One of the pipes didn't arrive till November, but I found I had an okay spare still attached to my spare rack.
Fitting was okay. The only sheared mounting bolt was the one underneath the chassis with the support bracket for both pipes. I had prepared with an M8 spiralflute tap and appropriate drill bit, and a few M8 stainless bolts :)
I'd add some pictures, but don't have a host at the moment.
If anyone is thinking of doing this and wants advice, just let me know here or elsewhere :)
PS, PS fluid seems to lurk in pipes, this was unnessarily messy... _________________ 91 L300 Super Exceed (well it did once...) |
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andyman
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 12:59 Post subject: |
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Glad you got it sorted. My temporary repair with plumber's compression fittings from 4-5 years ago is still holding up, but the seal at one end of the rack is now leaking into the boot (replaced when it split and left blood on the garage floor! I'm compiling a list of jobs that I really don't fancy doing, but am prepared to buy the parts for and hand to my favoured mechanic (who may not feel so favoured once he starts to tackle them!) Delica is now "Der Leaker", as I have just replaced the passenger side inner rear hub seal, having had to do the same on the driver's side for its last MoT 6 weeks ago! I now have a serious electrical leak, and have just been googling how to test the alternator diodes with a multimeter, which seems like the likely culprit. I'm due to attend a GLASS meeting in it 60 miles away tomorrow, and going green laning in Yorkshire on Wednesday! Fully charged spare battery and H/D jump leads will be packed! _________________ Andy C L300 Super Exceed - over 100 smiles per gallon! |
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ClockworkOwl
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Posted: Sat Oct 08, 2022 13:15 Post subject: |
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Yeah, I can't hide it anymore, the van is officially now a hobby, not just a project! _________________ 91 L300 Super Exceed (well it did once...) |
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