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difference between version 1 and 2 of 2.8 Deli


 
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peter_rookie



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 9:20    Post subject: difference between version 1 and 2 of 2.8 Deli Reply with quote

hi,
having tried the search and FAQ I am left with some questions.

I am currently looking to buy a LWB 2.8 and have one from 1st series and another from 2nd series to look at. I read that 2nd series having 140hp vs 125 of series 1 and that s2 has an EFI, does that mean S1 has a mechanical pump or different EFI?

what are the main differences, where did the S2 mature over S1 and where is S1 superior?

thanks a lot,
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 16:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

S1 is a mechanical pump.

Other changes are basically cosmetic.

See this post for info:- http://www.MDOCUK.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=30196
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PostPosted: Wed Oct 28, 2020 17:00    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks a lot Lewis, already saw that comparison, but missing on the pump specs.

interesting read!

I really wonder why the load is so low for a seven to nine seater?
quite a limitation for an overlander.
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PostPosted: Thu Oct 29, 2020 14:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

They're both mechanical fuel injection (as opposed to common rail) but the S2 is an electronically controlled mechanical fuel injection pump, it all looks very similar apart from the†shape of the injector pump body, some extra engine loom connectors and extra vacuum housings on the inlet manifold.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 7:11    Post subject: Reply with quote

thanks, understood.
I know this from my Landcruiser, mine has EFI on top of the old pump giving it a bit more fuel efficiency but evryone wants the mechanical pump as it is easier to tweak.
I am not planning on doing anything on the engine, need it to just work reliably.
with the plder toyos like mine there are failing ecu's which can really sour up your day. capacitors dtying out etc. anything like that known on the Deli?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 18:55    Post subject: Reply with quote

I believe very few of the electronic controlled pump versions were imported. Mitsubishi never allowed the computer diagnostics for the Deli to come over here as the vehicle was only a grey import. So if you did get ecu/electronic problems, it was very hard to find anyone who could correct and reset it - one reason why most later imports are the V6 petrol.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 22:02    Post subject: Reply with quote

makes lot of sense, thanks for claryfying
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 22:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

But if you have a local Jap tuning garage near you, they will most likely have software that can diagnose JOBD imports. Or you can use the old tried and tested method to flash the dash lights to read out any engine error codes from the ECU.

I was worried when I bought my S2, and I had a problem with my TPS which I was able to diagnose with the dash lights, and tell the garage where to start looking. Now I'm more worried about the the rust that's appeared on the bottom of the sliding door .

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 30, 2020 22:41    Post subject: Reply with quote

oh, rust.... I just looked at a s2 today which was axvertised as well maintained... rust buckets would blush seeing that.
drove six6 hrs....

checked engine, opened oil cap and it was like a sperm whale ejecting oil all over
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:53    Post subject: Reply with quote

How did you 'flash the dash lights' to pick up any error codes csmonkey?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 1:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you have any pics of your S2 in black?
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 10:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

annek wrote:
How did you 'flash the dash lights' to pick up any error codes...

See:- http://www.MDOCUK.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=33159
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 21, 2020 13:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think this should work....

https://cubeupload.com/I'm/CSMonkey/IMG20140321130915.jpg
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 0:46    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheers both for the links.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 23, 2020 14:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not a good idea to remove the oil cap with engine running, unless you immediately put your hand over the hole to check for crankcase pressure (ie blow-by). Uncovered, it's a good sign if it spits oil all over! Just makes a mess.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 10:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

Curious comment Andy. What, within this post, prompted you to say that ?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 18:19    Post subject: Reply with quote

OP's post, a bit further up, which finished: - "checked engine, opened oil cap and it was like a sperm whale ejecting oil all over".
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 24, 2020 18:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laughing

I missed that, assuming it was a signature line.
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