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PostPosted: Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

unclebazwold wrote:
You used to keep warm by farting in ya sleeping bag.
Bazza Wink

Another safety reason for retiring my naked flame gas heater!
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Bizmarty



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PostPosted: Fri Dec 20, 2019 22:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have one of these Chinese diesel heaters I'm about to fit. They do seem really popular at the moment.
Looking to see if anyone else has fitted one of these recently. If so, interested in where / how they mounted it?
Would like to make it a removable should the need arise, if not I will fit it permanently.

Thanks in advance.
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PostPosted: Sat Dec 21, 2019 2:23    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, Bizmarty. I eventually fitted mine under the floor , next to the torsion bar adjuster, driver's side (L300). I used a suitable sized hole-saw to cut a hole in the floor, immediately behind the engine hump, and next to the captain's seat for the hot air vent, fuel pipe and wiring to the controller and battery. I protected the cut edge of the hole with slit plastic piping to prevent fraying. The tank, (I †am using a 5L cooking oil container with a 5mm hole drilled through the lid, for the fuel pipe, and a pin hole to eliminate vacuum) is fastened to the back of the engine hump next to the sliding door with 2 screws, washers and a short bungee. The warm air tube extends to the top of the engine hump, and the terminal can be rotated to face forwards or rearwards. In recent frosty weather, when my daily car was at the MoT station for a week, awaiting parts, it was great to have warm air directed into the cab, long before the Deli's own heater started producing any heat. They do use a lot of battery power on start-up, and if you intend running it for more than one night without recharging the battery, you had better get a deep cycle leisure battery, or risk damaging your regular battery, and being unable to start the engine! Despite going through a lot of deep puddles at speed, it is working fine, and it's position high up behind the bellhousing, seems to shelter it from thrown-up spray, but probably not so good for deep wading. The only real downside with this arrangement, is that all heated air is coming in from outside, at outside temperatures, which also means that internal, previously heated air is being forced out by the incoming air. Having both input and output air internal means greater efficiency with fewer air changes (but a greater risk of condensation build-up if you are sleeping in it.)
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 18, 2020 19:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is there anyone fitted an electric 12 v heating?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 9:01    Post subject: Reply with quote

12v heaters tend to use around 300 watts, 30'ish Amps per hour, so your battery would not last very long.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 11:24    Post subject: Reply with quote

I found this electric heater 150W (can not include pic yet).

It will last 8 hrs with 100Ah battery at 12v, 12,5A

So, if I would like to go for one night or two nights and use 4 hrs/night, then it is a kind of solution.  
Having a solar panel (and sunny days Smile ) there is a chance for more...

For sure it`s not as good as diesel heater.

I will keep looking but doubt to find anything electric more efficient.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 14:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

About Diesel heater.

Is yours use up to 5 Amps per hour to run?
if so, average car battery can last one night only?
In this case, leisure battery is needed and needs to be charged every day?

Thanks in advance for answering.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 14:49    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have one of the Chinese diesel heaters. Fantastic piece of kit for the money (£130).
It uses about 8-10 Amps on start up for a bout 5 mins, then drops to roughly 1 amp - 1.3 amps per hour.
I run it all night when needed. I used it all through this winter with no problems at all.
So I basically use ~10% of my 110 amp hour leisure battery as shown on my usage meter.
I suppose you could use the car battery depending on its AH capacity, but just remember to run the engine for a while to recharge after use the next day.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 17:54    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheaper to buy a 13tog sleeping bag, then you don't need any heating on through the night.  Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 18:17    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lewis wrote:
Cheaper to buy a 13tog sleeping bag, then you don't need any heating on through the night. †Wink

Some of us have lived soft, civvy lives Lewis. When you wake up with frost on the windscreen (assuming you haven't been running the heating all night), it's nice to just press a button on the remote control, and snuggle down for another 15minutes in your bag, while the van gets toasty!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 18:30    Post subject: Reply with quote

PS ArthurArthur. You will not feel the benefit of 150 watts in an un-insulated van unless it is heating an under or over-blanket. I have a 1kw mains electric heater, which I have tried in my small garden summerhouse, and even in this weather, it doesn't do a lot. My propane gas heater is far more effective, but produces too much condensation in the van, and could suffocate you if you fell asleep with the windows closed. It is good if you are just going to get warm in the morning to get dressed, and then open the door or windows to get rid of the fug.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 20:05    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lewis wrote:
Cheaper to buy a 13tog sleeping bag, then you don't need any heating on through the night. †Wink


I prefer to sleep in me under crackers! -2 outside, 22 inside, covers off! Beautiful!
And it only sips diesel, 15 litre tank lasts me a couple of weeks! Not too shabby!
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 19, 2020 20:58    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you for your support.

It looks that diesel heater is unavoidable if I want it cozy in my Delica Smile
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