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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 12:27    Post subject: Front lower wishbone bushes - HELP! Reply with quote

So struggling to get parts.
Front lower wishbone bushes are a bit shot, so order replacements.

The mits EPC look up and the dealer both say the part is MB430960 for the rearmost bush
https://mitsubishi.epc-data.com/delica_star_wagon/p25w/snpt/front-suspension/front-susp-arm-member/201397,201398/?frame_no=P25W-0303186

See this picture:-
https://photos.app.goo.gl/BN4eW57nEa2Z4Veq9
The one on the left is the new one, the one on the right is what came out.
The new one just won't go in  - is it too big? too soft? wrong shape? or is there a way to make the thing go in that I've not found (grease, jubilee clips and a hammer didn't work)

All the other suppliers seem to show the same new bush in pictures (inc suppliers in Russia, Germany, Lithuania etc)

Also can't seem to find any supplier of the whole arm with bushes already pressed in.

So a bit stuck - was there a change in design? and if so what was the part number?

Any help welcomed to get the pig back on the road :-)
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 18:26    Post subject: Re: Front lower wishbone bushes - HELP! Reply with quote

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So struggling to get parts.
Front lower wishbone bushes are a bit shot, so order replacements.


The one on the left is the new one, the one on the right is what came out.
The new one just won't go in  - is it too big? too soft? wrong shape? or

is there a way to make the thing go in that I've not found (grease, jubilee clips and a hammer didn't work)

Hammering won't work, usually tends to "Spread" the part.
Try "Pulling" the part/s in with a long bolt and suitable sized washer/s

If that don't work - - - Grind down The Diameter a bit Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 18:37    Post subject: Reply with quote

So from looking at this further and looking at the other side it seems the bush I have been sent in just wrong (even though the part no is correct and I've now looked at quite a few websites selling exactly the same), or maybe it is the right one and the rubber is too soft for the 15 tonne press?
Or maybe they were slightly different for older models and I have the wrong part no?
Also the other side seems to have poly bushes fitted (not by me) so now I'm also looking at aftermarket poly bushes - anyone fitted any ever, if so any part/supplier numbers please?

Just to add to the fun it seems the cam bolt is also quite worn (probably the source of the clonking) so need one of them too.

ho-hum!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 18:38    Post subject: Re: Front lower wishbone bushes - HELP! Reply with quote

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Hammering won't work, usually tends to "Spread" the part.


That was after the grunt of a 15 tonne press started to shred the rubber!
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 18:39    Post subject: Re: Front lower wishbone bushes - HELP! Reply with quote

PinkPig wrote:
Deker wrote:

Hammering won't work, usually tends to "Spread" the part.


That was after the grunt of a 15 tonne press started to shred the rubber!


and it looked like a mushroom!

Yes lathing it down a bit may be the answer...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 19:51    Post subject: Reply with quote

November 2017 I'made the same replacement .... with the same results ( bought  from Amayama ) ...
the guys on the shop fitt them by pressure  ...
but I remember that I was MAD with them when I discover  marks of a sharp blade in the new fitted rubber.  Evil or Very Mad
Back then the answer that they gave me was that bushings didn't fitt correctly so they had to trim a bit the rubber.  Shocked

Seems that the problem was the part and not the guys at shop ...
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 20:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

The one shown on the right in the picture looks to be to be more like part number MB633070

Which is available from Febest:- https://shop.febest.eu/arm-bushing-front-lower-arm-mab-017.html
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 21:03    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi Lewis,

Yes we were looking at the front one and it does look more the right shape but it is narrower diameter.

I've a feeling the aftermarket one I got is just low quality tolerance and materials :-(
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2019 22:39    Post subject: Reply with quote

I also note that the one on the left in your picture is not as wide, along the core length, plus the one on Febest has a serrated edge, so wondered if that has any bearing on what you removed ?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 18:16    Post subject: Reply with quote

So...after tracking down a friendly L300 parts outlet in Taiwan (!) their answers were:
Yes, they are the correct bushes
Yes, the are bleeeping hard to get in (use a gallon of grease and a 1000 tonne press)
Top tip, remove the metal centre sleeve.
Yes you can get nice new wishbones with everything installed.
https://photos.app.goo.gl/qDjtaGQUggU6evLf8
Just looking at prices and shipping etc (££££+days)

So van still down the road in the garage where they are either going fit the new bush somehow or put the old one back for now to get it off their ramp.

And at the end of the day - it probably wasn't the bush that was clonking - looks like the cam bolt is quite worn so rattling in the sleeve
Luckily this guy has them as well, both types:
https://photos.app.goo.gl/cgdSDZaJU9pmVkbQA

So once I have verified reliability etc I'll share his details.

Now, let's hope the garage can get that bush in.... I'd like to be able to afford to eat ;-)
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2019 19:14    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cripes that sounds like a bit of a saga... I will cross my fingers further pressure is going to work...

I know nothing about pressing bushes in/out, so please do ignore me if this is foolish or silly, but I seem to remember hearing that freezing bushes for a whiile, and heating whatever they are to go in, as well as grease, makes them easier to press in? If the garage hasn't tried that yet, might be worth suggesting?
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jejoenje.

That is for metal to metal bearings/bushings.

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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 18:12    Post subject: Reply with quote

I got the van back last night, with one old bush back in for now and one new at the front. Going to get a whole wishbone with bushes in, probs from Taiwan, or see if I can find a breaker.
Just have to wait until the Chinese New year holidays are over to get some quotes.

Lewis wrote:
The one shown on the right in the picture looks to be to be more like part number MB633070
Which is available from Febest:- https://shop.febest.eu/arm-bushing-front-lower-arm-mab-017.html


Funnily enough when I went to put the spare new bush in the garage I noticed the packaging was a febest box!


So back on the road? Not a chance!!  Mad  Crying or Very sad
The pigging pipe from the back of the thermostat housing has started leaking....
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 20:25    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sad  :?
Sorry to hear this.. I very much hope you will find a suitable replacement wishbone soon...
There was a guy on here not long ago saying he was breaking an L300 (I think down your way somewhere?? By which I mean, Englandshire  Laughing )... he might have one?

Oddly enough, I've always dreaded those bushings wearing out (much like the manual box)...

Good luck!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 20:27    Post subject: Reply with quote

Long shot, Roger - are no Mk1 Shogun bushes the same? Or L200? Available through Mitsubishi dealers is why I am suggesting this.
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Not the post I was actually thinking of, but this might be of use?
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 02, 2019 21:29    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi,

Thanks guys for the suggestions and links.
I've done a fair bit of cross referencing of the part nos and don't think they are the same bushings. But either way it's getting the rear one in that is the hard part. I've definitely got the right one, but it needs to squash about 7mm.

Thanks J for the link to mung. I'll give him a shout.
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