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jdavey2002 Lifetime member
Joined: 01 Aug 2018 Posts: 116 Location: Carrickfergus, N.Ireland
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Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2018 23:33 Post subject: Chinese night heater |
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I have just fitted a 5KW one bought on Ebay for under £120:
Just stuck it in the back for now and used a smaller fuel tank as I struggled to find somewhere to put the 10l one that it came with.
It also came with a remote so I plan to mount the controller on a plate above the missing ashtray in the back and use the remote to switch it on and off from the front if necessary.
Still to fit the exhaust silencer but for now I think I should have put in a 2KW model as it is very noisy.
Plenty of heat though and a fraction of the cost of the Webasto or Eberspacher offerings. _________________ 98 L400 2.8 Space Gear |
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buzr6mille Lifetime member
Joined: 11 Jul 2009 Posts: 6879 Location: Wherever i park up.
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 12:26 Post subject: |
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That looks the dogs, I've been thinking about fitting it between the outer side and inner trim using the inner gap to get the air intake in case of wading _________________ 2nd gear low and go go go!
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jdavey2002 Lifetime member
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 14:08 Post subject: Wading |
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Cheers buzr6mille, I don't do any serious off roading so hopefully will never be in any water deeper than the axles. I lifted the heater in a frame inside so even if I wade up to the floor level as long as the heater isn't running it shouldn't take in any water. I also means I can stack things around it a bit and still get airflow through. I read the air intake for the burner needs to be external as if the exhaust gets blocked or there is strong wind it can blow back some combustion fumes - not recommended lol. Also it is more efficient not to draw any of the internal heated air through the burner. _________________ 98 L400 2.8 Space Gear |
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buzr6mille Lifetime member
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 18:43 Post subject: |
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maybe I should read the instructions before I decide where to put it
Is the exhaust pipe okay so close to the carpet, I'm a little worried it getting to hot _________________ 2nd gear low and go go go!
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jdavey2002 Lifetime member
Joined: 01 Aug 2018 Posts: 116 Location: Carrickfergus, N.Ireland
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 21:13 Post subject: Carpet |
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If your instructions are anything like mine they may not help much lol Youtube is good. I cut the hole in the carpet about 2 cm bigger than the exhaust and filled the gap with silicon to prevent it touching the carpet or rubbing against the metal of the floor. Seems okay so far but I'll be keeping an eye on it as the exhaust gets really hot. Can't see it in the pic unfortunately as the black inlet pipe is in the way, I'll try to get some more shots tomorrow. _________________ 98 L400 2.8 Space Gear |
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buzr6mille Lifetime member
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 23:48 Post subject: |
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brilliant ta _________________ 2nd gear low and go go go!
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Posted: Wed Dec 26, 2018 23:51 Post subject: |
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All good info, and maybe I'm over worrying, but what are the rules on internal fuel tank?
I had a Webasto fitted in my engine bay on Deli number 1, which had small fuel bottle in engine bay also.
The exhaust and whole unit got incredibly hot, enough to damage anything close by.
I'm not familiar with this sort of heater but I reckon it's asking for trouble with carpet, silicone etc, anywhere near that exhaust.? But then again, it's designed to be used inside?
Sorry if I'm being boring. _________________ A Little Knowledge is Dangerous and expensive! especially if your me Mending anything!! |
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buzr6mille Lifetime member
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 1:20 Post subject: |
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Not boring, all good points, fuel should be okay inside as its derv not petrol, they look the same unit as in commercial trucks, you can tap into the original fuel tank I believe and the heat did concern me, that's why it's not fitted yet _________________ 2nd gear low and go go go!
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Lewis Site Admin
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:16 Post subject: |
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I've also got a couple of questions in the internal fuel tank.
1. Is it vented, so no vacuum forms in it.
2. Is it removable, so you don't spill diesel on the carpets when filling it.
3. Is there any diesel smell in the van. _________________
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Lewis Site Admin
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:17 Post subject: |
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jdavey2002 wrote: |
I have just fitted a 5KW one..... |
I've got a couple of questions about the internal fuel tank.
1. Is it vented, so no vacuum forms in it.
2. Is it removable, so you don't spill diesel on the carpets when filling it.
3. Is there any diesel smell in the van. _________________
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jdavey2002 Lifetime member
Joined: 01 Aug 2018 Posts: 116 Location: Carrickfergus, N.Ireland
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:27 Post subject: Heater exhaust and fuel |
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The carpet did worry me but seems fine, I've had it running for a couple of hours so far. I used a medium temperature black silicon (what I had), should be good for 600 deg c and the exhaust should be well below 200 deg c where it exits. If you are really concerned there are high temperature silicones available - good for up to 1200 deg c and the max temperature of the exhaust at the unit is just over 400 deg c.
The unit came with a silicone gasket for mounting to the floor if you do go down that route. I'd use that as a template to cut out a small section of carpet where you plan to site the heater. This would mean the exhaust is well away from carpet and no need to seal anything else.
Fuel is no different than carrying a spare can which you tend to just leave bouncing about so unless it was petrol I can't see any risk - fairly sure there is a legal limit (maybe 5l) for petrol. The heater came with a 10l tank made of strong moulded plastic with a good tight screw lid and three mounting points. I haven't figured out where to fit this yet so have converted an old washer bottle. Again hard moulded plastic with a tight lid with tiny hole drilled to let air in to replace the used fuel. Seems to be a bit over 3l and that should run the heater for about 12 hours at high temperature and longer in most conditions - this may never get changed lol
If you plan to run the heater on diesel best just to tee into the vehicle fuel line. I'm running my heater on Kerosene (standard home heating oil grade) - this is the cheapest fuel I can get and is the best for any of these type of heaters as it doesn't coke them up. Apparently they can run for years without servicing on Kero, win win as far as I'm concerned. _________________ 98 L400 2.8 Space Gear |
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jdavey2002 Lifetime member
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 12:34 Post subject: Vent and spills |
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The lid is the vent. Just a tiny pin sized hole in the middle as the unit uses very little fuel. No noticeable smell in normal conditions but potential for slight evaporation if hot.
Unfortunately not removable as plumbed to the heater and attached to the vehicle for safety. I just use a 1l transfer bottle and a small funnel. _________________ 98 L400 2.8 Space Gear |
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jdavey2002 Lifetime member
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 15:13 Post subject: Exhaust pics |
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Well done Lewis, looks like the Chinese have done their homework and are sending 10l plastic fuel tanks as the largest allowed in the UK. Must look around it for the fake CE stamp :-)
Inside exhaust picture:
From below:
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Green Grouch Lifetime member
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Posted: Thu Dec 27, 2018 22:57 Post subject: |
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I think my concern was more about the filling of fuel in a tank inside a vehicle, which i read somewhere, who knows, and then forget,,
The 10 litre limit seems to ring a bell though.
Whatever - nice pictures and well appreciated that you shared.
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andyman
Joined: 08 Dec 2012 Posts: 5602 Location: Penrith
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 14:18 Post subject: |
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Just ordered a 2kw heater. Due to arrive around Jan.10th, then I'll start planning my movable 'cassette' design. Could make a useful garage heater when not camping. A 2L milk bottle might serve as a kero tank, although the standard 5L may be small enough. _________________ Andy C L300 Super Exceed - over 100 smiles per gallon! |
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jdavey2002 Lifetime member
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Posted: Fri Dec 28, 2018 14:37 Post subject: Portable heater |
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Sounds good, look forward to seeing that. What are you planning to use as an exhaust? That corrugated stainless stuff is about £15 a meter so I wouldn't want to be running that too far... _________________ 98 L400 2.8 Space Gear |
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andyman
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Posted: Mon Dec 31, 2018 23:52 Post subject: |
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Hoping the length of exhaust they send with it will be long enough. It may have to all sit on the front passenger seat. _________________ Andy C L300 Super Exceed - over 100 smiles per gallon! |
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buzr6mille Lifetime member
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 0:46 Post subject: |
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It's only about 24" long _________________ 2nd gear low and go go go!
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Posted: Tue Jan 01, 2019 2:31 Post subject: |
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You used to keep warm by farting in ya sleeping bag.
Bazza _________________
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