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Lewis Site Admin
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 6:28 Post subject: Towball (split from hijacked mod post. Moderator) |
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DelicaTessAn wrote: |
Has anyone fitted a towball mounted winch. I can't see a way of fitting one at the front. |
Yes, me. I mentioned it on this post, with photos:- http://www.MDOCUK.co.uk/forums/viewtopic.php?t=48297
Unfortunately you can't see them due to photofuket mucking things up!
I will swap the links on the post to my Box account photos, when I get back from my holiday trip.
Here is a photo of the towball adapter, which is welded to the plate the winch is mounted on:- https://app.box.com/s/8vj81nr8h0vzkj10qk2yx3xh2p7878jv.
It allows the winch to swivel and be dismounted, though the combined weight of winch and fittings is quite heavy. _________________
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DelicaTessAn
Joined: 29 Sep 2016 Posts: 139 Location: Oxon
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Posted: Tue Sep 26, 2017 21:39 Post subject: |
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Thanks -v helpful |
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andyman
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 8:27 Post subject: |
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I guess as it is detachable, you wouldn't drive around day -to-day with the winch hanging off your tow bar, and even if you were going mud- plugging, you would probably carry it on-board until you arrived at the venue? So idiots like me would just hit the tow bar! No competition,for most cars. _________________ Andy C L300 Super Exceed - over 100 smiles per gallon! |
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Lewis Site Admin
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Posted: Wed Sep 27, 2017 12:13 Post subject: |
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Carried onboard when offroading until it is actually needed. As I did on the Coniston offroading weekend.
Driving around with it fitted to the towball, would shortly see it missing from the towbar, along with the towball and wiring loom to the connector.
Photos in my link about are now updated to my Box account _________________
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DelicaTessAn
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Lewis Site Admin
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Posted: Sun Nov 12, 2017 22:38 Post subject: |
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Those are what I have fitted on mine, as mentioned in the post I linked to above.
Though mine came from a different company. _________________
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Mowerman
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 13:14 Post subject: |
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It's worth bearing in mind that the rating on the above is a rolling pull, in other words something that is not stuck, and if it's not stuck there would be no need to winch it . TBH that wouldn't pull the skin off a rice pudding.
I have a cheap Chinese 10,000lb winch on my discovery with dyneema rope. I've had it about 7 years and it has had a lot of work from pulling conifers out to pulling my disco and a Nissan patrol at the same time for over 3 hours. Personally I think a winch is very good for self recovery and fitting one to the L400 I'm hoping to get has been on my mind for a while. |
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DelicaTessAn
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Mowerman
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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2018 22:00 Post subject: |
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If you are stuck, or trying to recover someone else who is stuck, and they are in mud but not belly down then it might help, but it is more likely to really struggle. There are many more aspects to winch recovery other than the rated pull.
Unless you want to get a full size winch then something like a kinetic rope and decent front and rear recovery points would be the way to go |
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DelicaTessAn
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:09 Post subject: |
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I spoke to Paddy ref this winch (new product) and he will confirm what the 'rated line pull' of it is (the quoted figure of 6800kg is misleading as this is just a 'rolling load') |
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DelicaTessAn
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 10:11 Post subject: |
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This winch is 4000lb which is 1.8 tonnes. However, GOODWINCH recommend that the winch can pull twice the weight of the load so that it will definitely be up to the job, so this winch would not be able to shift a Delica unless it was on level ground, not stuck in v much etc., I think (which isn't much help). It might be better with a snatch block though.
They also advised that for a 9500lb winch (which is fine for recovery work), the winch would need the larger of their BAK-RAK mounts. |
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Mowerman
Joined: 10 Apr 2018 Posts: 16 Location: Northampton
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Posted: Fri Apr 13, 2018 11:51 Post subject: |
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Indeed, it is also influenced by how many turns are on the drum (the more turns, the lower the pull strength) and other factors such as exactly how stuck you are
A vehicle up to its axles in mud will create a "suction" under itself which will require up to 10 times the vehicle weight to break, I have often been involved in winching vehicles stuck in mud that have required three winches at once.
I have also had to self recover using two recovery (snatch) blocks giving four pull lines. It was very slow but did the job
On a further note the neck of the tow ball is notoriously weak and should NOT be used as a recovery point, better to fit a clevis hitch (jaw) type.
On the rear of my discovery I have a 2" receiver into which I fit a recovery point, it also takes my NATO hitch for the sankey, but I also have a 6000 lb winch which fits into it with power from a 400amp Anderson connector on the bumper. I use this primarily for loading trailers but I have used it in the past for self recovery. It is often easier to recover yourself backwards (up your own ruts) than it is to keep going forwards.
I'd like to fit a receiver to my Delica when I get one for similar reasons. |
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buzr6mille Lifetime member
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Posted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 11:15 Post subject: |
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Simple answer, don't get stuck _________________ 2nd gear low and go go go!
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DelicaTessAn
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Posted: Tue May 01, 2018 15:07 Post subject: |
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DelicaTessAn wrote: |
I spoke to Paddy ref this winch (new product) and he will confirm what the 'rated line pull' of it is (the quoted figure of 6800kg is misleading as this is just a 'rolling load') |
He provided the manual. Having read it, the winch appears to have a lifting capacity (i.e. max rated line pull) of 3000lbs. this is nowhere near adequate for our purposes as I have spoken to a couple of winch sellers recently who advised that a good rule of thumb is to go for a winch that is powerful enough to lift the weight of the vehicle (i.e. 2050kg / 4520lb unladen for an L400).
Other people advise that 9500lb (4310kg) is the right power for all Recovery work (as this will still pull out a vehicle stuck in mud/up an incline/stuck in ruts etc.). |
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buzr6mille Lifetime member
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Posted: Sat May 05, 2018 6:22 Post subject: |
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I'd say a good 9500lb winch would be best, but, any winch is only as good as the mounting point..
Smaller winches could be used but then you'd need snatch blocks which starts to get complicated :? _________________ 2nd gear low and go go go!
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YOZA
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:53 Post subject: |
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Shouldn’t this post be in “towing and technical” _________________ Artificial intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.... |
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DelicaTessAn
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Posted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 13:06 Post subject: |
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I would agree |
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