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DaveJ
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 Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:57 Post subject: Help! - Front suspension damage |
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Hello all,
So long story short - lent the Deli to sister in law to take family to France. She rang to say they heard a rattle under car in car park this morning. Next thng I get sent the following photo - something has fallen off!
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DaveJ
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 12:58 Post subject: |
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Yeah someting has fallen off alright!  |
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DaveJ
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 13:06 Post subject: |
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I know the SIL has recently given birth, but he surely hasn't put that much weight on!
Been recovered to some French garage. Thoughts on failure and possible fix? |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 13:12 Post subject: |
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Wow
Hope everybody is okay.
Wheel Bearing?
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DaveJ
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 13:33 Post subject: |
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| Would the wheel bearing cause it to collapse like that? Wondering about top ball joint suspension....trying to mentally picture the setup on the Deli? |
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I am sure i have seen another Delica on here with a collapsed wheel bearing and it looks just like your image.
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 15:14 Post subject: |
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I wonder if the bottom ball joint has snapped.
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DaveJ
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 15:31 Post subject: |
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Bazza! You get the chocolate biscuit! Look at the photo I have just been sent.
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DaveJ
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 15:43 Post subject: |
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Questions is which failed first?
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 15:53 Post subject: |
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| It is being towed to a Mitsubishi garage ....brace for the impact! |
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 18:12 Post subject: |
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Top AND bottom? Has she been indulging in a little off roading? Or mounting high kerbs? Squashing 2CVs? (Perhaps the last one wouldn't do it.)
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2017 18:54 Post subject: |
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| DaveJ wrote: |
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First to go would have been the lower joint. That going let the weight of the vehicle press down on it at an angle, then the wheel going outwards would have snapped the top joint off. 
Had it been the top one the pressure of the upper wishbone would have just kept the joint in place with the upper and lowere parts pressed together.
That is also one of the potential problems that can occur when the Torsion bars are wound up too far. 
Providing the driveshaft has not been bent then all it needs are two new balljoints. :D
Can you remember where the balljoints were bought from, assuming that they have been replaced at some point whilst you owned the Deli ?
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I think yoza had a similar issue from cheap ball joints?
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DaveJ
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| Can you remember where the balljoints were bought from, assuming that they have been replaced at some point whilst you owned the Deli ? |
No not sure. The garage did the lower one before she took it away - I think they might have come from Eurocarparts though. Not sure the upper one has ever been done? I never did it. Hoping it is just the balll joints.
Apparently the recovery driver showed my brother in law no mercy on the French....he is pretty fluent but when it came to car parts and particulars he was stumped!
Only ever happens when you let someone borrow it! |
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DaveJ
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I guess we need to look on the positive side - happened at very low speed, no one was hurt and the misty is not French....
So they shouldn't need to take the gearbox out, remove the door glass, rear seats, fuel tank and rear lights to change the lower and upper ball joints. Imagine if it was a Citroen! |
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| Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 11:59 Post subject: |
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Scary , lower ball looks greasy and not worn , so holding ring of ball joint seems to have allowed ball to come out of socket , poor manufacture seems likely , at speed this could have been lethal, if you have parts invoice trading standards might be interested . pattern ball joints usually fail due to thin and poor quality rubber letting water in, but the metal parts need to be pothole proof , eurocarparts want 112.99 for their L400 lower joints you should get mitsi parts for this price! I would hope rack is okay , and brake pipe probably been stretched too. I don't envy you the bill.
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DaveJ
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| Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 12:07 Post subject: |
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Yeah can't say i am looking forward to the bill either. As its stuck in southern France I pretty frigged at the minute. I will wait to hear back what the prognosis is from the garage.
I shall be digging out the invoice indeed - its in the car actually. But yeah reet scary.
Is it just a Deli thing? Rear wheel fell off my wifes old L300 (she reminds me of this frequently). Front wheel fell off this L400. I have another L400 yet to lose a wheel and my old L300 isn't likely to lose a wheel as its currently a non runner. But that is a 50% record for our Deli's.  |
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Marmota
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Not really. Happens for various reasons to lots of cars, regardless of the car's brand. Mainly because of bad quality parts. I think you were just unlucky... a little bit more unlucky to be honest. Fingers crossed for your Deli!
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| Posted: Tue Apr 25, 2017 21:33 Post subject: |
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I did the same, bottom ball joint failure followed by sphinkter blow off.
Check your brake flex pipes, as they stretch as the wheel folds out, they will look fine but structurally they fracture internally then when you press the brake pedal the pipe balloons and the brakes don't work.
There is a lot more to change other than the upper and lower ball joints, mine from memory needed brake pipe steel/x2 flexi pipes/cv joint outer with boot/shock absorber and abs sensor.
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